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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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so let me tell you this week on the

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we had hoped to have

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albert rosales talking about humanoids

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and all his years of investigation

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unfortunately the last minute he tells

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us he has a family emergence and of

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course families come first so we hope

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he'll be here in december meantime chris

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o'brien

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is here

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back from thailand we're also joined by

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paul kimble who has been a very good

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friend over the years in fact we've

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begun to post content from the other

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side of truth podcasts and some videos

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over at the powercast plus in case you

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haven't joined so we'll talk about that

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later meantime paul welcome back to the

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cast yeah welcome back paul thanks for

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uh the last minute uh

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uh addition uh to our our show here no

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worries it was either this or go see

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shakespeare on the screen silver screen

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tonight so uh so i went with this

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we can now say we're more important than

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shakespeare you can say that i'm not

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sure it's true but you can you can say

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you can say that i guess for tonight

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you're you're more important than

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shakespeare and no chris i haven't seen

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the arrival yet i i don't actually go to

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see a lot of films in theaters anymore

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the shakespeare series is part of a

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screening series my producing partner

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here but i generally try and stay out of

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the theaters as much as possible i just

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don't enjoy the experience anymore you

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don't like the crowds and the popcorn

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yeah and it's a terrible comment for

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somebody in my business to make but the

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truth is

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you can eventually see any film you want

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at home sitting in the comfort so you

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can pause it go use the washroom get

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food go take a drive whatever yeah i the

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older i get the less i like

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not people just crowds

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so i always wind up with somebody

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somebody looking at their their cell

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phone or whatever three rows in front of

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or whatever so you know i'll probably go

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see the arrival in the theater because

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it's one of those big budget films you

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should see in a theater i'll probably do

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it when i figure it's the last week of

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its run you know doctor strange same

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thing because i'm a superhero fan and

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run so at least the crowds are down a

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you know the early show the the matinee

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i i would do that too except i always

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find it really weird to walk into a film

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hot experience my mind has trouble going

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from light to dark to light again so i'm

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just a very strange person when it comes

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to going i'm very particular very

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persnickety as they say when it comes to

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seeing films i didn't used to be this

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way but i don't know i find people are

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the less time i spend in public usually

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the better this is in advance of being a

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hermit pretty much i'll be ted kaczynski

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what was the name of the guy who wrote

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that song everybody's talking that

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sure but i appreciate the the older i

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where i don't have people yelling crack

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murder was on my sort of nightly walking

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crossfire or have something strange

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lover's quarrel two teenagers she shot

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bizarre people have spent far too much

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around us and as soon as i say that i

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republican from the 50s who would go i

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don't like what these kids are listening

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to you know this hippie stuff these

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people there's grand theft auto and just

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history of the united states and it just

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horrific stuff that you know you kind of

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overseas and and and the stuff that does

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compassion empathy uh things that

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kinder gentler people i think but you

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kind of like our state government so he

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woman who had been running for the

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mla and the premier both women and she

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conservative party and joined the new

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democratic party and it's appalling and

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usually the speaker of the house would

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language here but they let her go

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because they thought it was important to

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get on the record and i thought dear god

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internet handles who are saying these

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online this has to stop but you know i

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don't actually know how you make it stop

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way of stopping it but this also goes

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days i actually worked for aol as a paid

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forum leader i made a really great

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salary would that happen today

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writing books about aol and then going

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into these use net

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areas and then somebody starts screaming

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and yelling at me writing all sorts of

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things and i would respond with facts

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and figures and just try to have this

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argument with them in a civil fashion

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and he said no that's not the way it

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works i flame you you flame me

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now everybody even back then they were

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getting the whole routine dialed in huh

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that's where it started

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you see what happened as the internet

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speak for yourself i i really do attempt

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when at all possible and and that's 99

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of the time to take the high road but

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you know i'll just pretty much ignore

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you know the blatant sort of troll

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trolls and you know people that are just

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looking to pick fights or you know and i

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that i do or different cultural sort of

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echo chamber and it does

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people that may not agree with them so

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for something that's so inclusive and

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bringing people together what it's

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the fact that people just don't get

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along anymore online and the other thing

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that goes with that and this can begin

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to relate

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to our paranormal universe just because

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of getting accurate information is this

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fake news phenomenon where people just

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make up things

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and they get them online

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and then somebody sees it and somebody

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retweets it or spreads it on facebook

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and soon everybody's talking about it

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they're talking about it on tv news

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politicians are talking about it

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and it's just a complete lie it goes

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back to the early days you'd read in the

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supermarket tabloids that

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somebody is married to an alien and

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nobody took it seriously but now you

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know where does the fantasy begin in

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reality

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what's your take on this paul

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well yeah it's all sort of a fantasy i

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mean look i don't want to get

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particularly political so i'll split

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both the left and right here you know

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you've just elected a president the

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united states is the least qualified

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person to hold that job or will be when

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he gets in i think in american history

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and as an historian i think i have a

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better grasp of history than most of the

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people that voted for mr trump but you

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know what he's an empty suit so the same

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is true in canada though we elected a

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liberal prime minister well a liberal

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government of which the leader becomes

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prime minister

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justin trudeau who

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is a drama teacher and his apparently

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his sole qualification for being prime

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minister is he's the son of pierre

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trudeau who was a long-serving canadian

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prime minister in the 60s 70s and 80s

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so

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he didn't have a record of

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accomplishment uh really certainly not

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in the private sector but not even in

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the pa not in the public sector either

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so you start to see these kinds of

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things happen where it almost becomes an

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in ufology or in paranormal research

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there i just that was a bill clinton

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pivot there

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you sort of see the same thing where

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people don't seem to respect

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experience and education and

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accomplishment as much as previous

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generations would and i think to some

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degree the internet's responsible for

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this the internet's a good thing and a

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lot of good can come out of it but

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there's this i don't want to call it a

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dumbing down because i still think

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they're an awful lot of smart people

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but it's almost like

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a leveling you work in this world where

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everybody's opinion is equal to which i

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would say no it's not an informed

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opinion an educated opinion is

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better

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carries more weight than one that is not

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so for example i can offer an opinion on

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space travel and it's probably better

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and more educated than some opinions but

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it is also not as educated and not as

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valid as the opinions that people that

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work at nasa for instance might have

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because that's what they do for a living

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and i respect that

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so you know i'm not going to start

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talking about the science of

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interstellar travel for instance

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the same thing is true of and this is

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bedeviled ufology

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in particular for decades the same thing

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is true of interviewing people and i've

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written about this back when i used to

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write about these things and maybe i

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cared a bit more about it

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but i kind of gave up but i was a

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graduate student in history and trained

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in interviewing people through my legal

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training but also my historical training

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they teach courses at a grad level in

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something called oral research

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methodology more or less how to

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interview the studs turkle way of

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getting stories out of people ufology

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is in particular full of people that

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have none of that training none of that

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understanding they don't understand how

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to ask questions what what are the right

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questions asked maybe what are the wrong

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questions asked what are how to

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structure an interview

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so a lot of the things that i think are

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are problematic in ufology throughout

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the last i don't know 40 or 50 years

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starting say roswell for instance if you

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look at the interviews originally

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conducted by uncle stan you know i love

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stan friedman but you know he had a

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great training in nuclear physics he had

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no training in how to interview people

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so i respect that he knows more about

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nuclear physics than i do he should have

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respected back then that somebody like

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me would know more about how to

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interview people how to do historical

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research how to do that kind of field

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work in oral research and he should have

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engaged one of those people and i would

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say the same thing to kevin randle i

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would say the same thing to any of those

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folks because none of them had that

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training so but everybody thinks that

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they're equal right and that's the

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mistake not everybody is equal different

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people have different talents different

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people have different skills different

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people have different training so pick

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those people that have the training and

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the skills and the talent and the

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that relate to what you're doing and

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engage them

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and

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don't engage or don't listen to the

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people who don't have those things but

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went ahead and did it anyway so that

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that to me has always been the biggest

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problem with ufo research now if you

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want to talk about ufo theorizing which

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is a totally different thing then you

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know five or six guys sitting down

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around the table who want to talk

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about whether they could be space aliens

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from zeta reticuli or god or whatever

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well sure that's all grist for the milk

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because that's opinion so everybody can

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have an opinion some are more informed

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than others but you know fine but if you

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want to talk about actual research and

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this is something there was a question

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thread not a question thread but a

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thread what's the point i think that one

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of your listeners ufology put on the

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paracast forms

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and you know there's this discussion

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about the academic nature is ufology an

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academic pursuit and the answer is is no

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it's not it never has been there have

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been a few academics who have engaged in

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it and there have been some self-taught

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people who have really taken it

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seriously and through experience and

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training and learning on the job have

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become very good at it but the rules of

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academia of academic study and research

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have never applied to ufology so if if

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there's any academic nature to it it's

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by chance and luck and not by some sort

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of rigorous methodology and so that

560
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opens up a whole can of worms and messes

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and and all that sort of stuff i don't

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even know if that's that doesn't even

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answer your question so sorry well you

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raised another issue it's very important

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i wanted to bring up

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kevin randle only because i think he's

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trying so for example in recent years

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he's gone back to looking at original

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references to try to

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research

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older cases and quite often when you

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read a book about ufos and someone cites

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a particular case what they're doing

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quite often is not looking at the

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original source but another book and

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that book goes to another book and in

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each case the book will summarize

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something maybe

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spin the tale a little bit and sometimes

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the original story from the original

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newspaper or the original project blue

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book report or the original eyewitness

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report somewhere

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is very different and has details that

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may or may not

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give you a solution to that particular

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case

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but just copying what somebody writes in

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a book

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is not research unintentional mean

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propagation sure

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yeah it's it's a type of research i mean

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everything builds upon everything else

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right so if you're doing studying the

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second world war then guys like ajp

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taylor and hugh trevor roper were

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foundational historical researchers that

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were there early on and then you would

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build on what they and change it and

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revise it and see where they went wrong

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or maybe where they went right paul i

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have to break sure a second so let me

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just amplify that and you can talk about

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it more well that again is if you're

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going to go back to a source and use a

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source it's not any old book you'd be

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very careful about

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whose book or article you look at and

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see if these are researchers who are

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you're listening to the paracast the

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so paul kimball was mentioning as we got

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into it about the value of doing

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research properly and to use the right

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sources and you mentioned for example if

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you're going to research world war ii or

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the civil war you go back into

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recognized sources who did their

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research and use them and build your

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work upon their shoulders am i getting

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it here yes exactly so there's nothing

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wrong with quoting people and using

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their research to inform your own

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research and then maybe taking it in new

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and different directions but there are

734
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there are good for instance historians

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and there are bad historians so hugh

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trevor roper made mistakes ajp taylor

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made mistakes you know everybody makes

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mistakes but they were reputable

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historians i remember when i was

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studying history in the 1980s there

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still is he's still alive and historian

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and i use that in quotation marks

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called david irving you might be

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familiar with him he's a holocaust

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denier now there was a time when david

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irving there's two things you can say

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about david irving

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no

749
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serious historian that i've ever heard

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of disputes that david irving was a good

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researcher that he could you know go

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find details and facts and he was a

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tireless digger and so he could get

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information no question

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but that doesn't make him a good

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historian and so what happened with

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david irving is his personal beliefs

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his bigotry frankly and hatred

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colored his conclusions so as a

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holocaust denier you know you could look

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at his work and say he's found some

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interesting details but his conclusions

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are worthless whereas with other

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historians you would say well okay their

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conclusions make more sense because they

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seem to be approaching it as objectively

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as possible so there's good historians

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there's bad historians the same thing is

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true of ufo researchers not that they're

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holocaust deniers but when you find

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somebody although there are some who are

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holocaust deniers

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which is one of those things that people

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don't like to talk about within ufology

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sort of the far right um anti-semitic

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kind of undercurrent that has has been

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in ufology for longer than we would care

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to admit but there are some researchers

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that generally try and take an objective

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take on things i've had my disputes with

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kevin randle over the years but more

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often than not i think at least kevin is

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trying he doesn't always get there

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because he has a blind spot when it

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comes to roswell still but he's he tries

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so full credit to kevin in terms of

787
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trying to be as objective as he can

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possibly be and nobody's perfectly

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objective we all have our blind spots

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but then there are other guys and you

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know we all know who they are some of

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them have been on your show over the

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years

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i don't particularly like talking about

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any of them anymore but you know stephen

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bassett is the perfect example and

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stephen greer and that group where they

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are not objective so if you start

799
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quoting for instance i saw paul hellyer

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speak here in halifax uh about two

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months ago i guess maybe a month or two

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ago and he was talking about politics he

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was talking about the canadian european

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free trade deal which is very odd

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because within 10 minutes ufos came up

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so so we're basically engaging in free

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trade of ufos something like that okay

808
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but he was trying to make a point about

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you know the the

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sort of freemason i don't know what it

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is the freemasonry lizard people queen

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whatever their global conspiracy is that

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is somehow driving all of these trade

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deals i i guess that was his point

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somehow area 51 came in or whatever but

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he name-dropped stephen greer so there i

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am sitting in the audience and to be

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fair i didn't have to pay to get in

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nobody did but you could see some people

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nodding their heads right there about 60

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people there and actually you see a lot

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of people nodding their heads well they

823
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,080
are an audience that is already

824
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,919
predisposed i guess to believe paul

825
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,240
hellyer so all he's probably really

826
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,000
doing is reinforcing their existing

827
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,679
beliefs but somewhere those existing

828
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,919
beliefs came in somewhere they they

829
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,679
decided that paul hellyer who was

830
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,440
relying on people like stephen greer for

831
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:07,279
his information is a credible source of

832
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,520
information about ufos and about trade

833
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,440
deals and politics and everything money

834
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,919
policy and as soon as somebody says to

835
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,799
me stephen greer i go i can't take you

836
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,279
seriously no matter what you're talking

837
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,600
about you could be talking about star

838
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,520
wars and i can't take you seriously as a

839
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,679
film critic because you quote stephen

840
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,960
greer as a credible source of

841
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,360
information so that's just one of those

842
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,000
things that drove me nuts about ufology

843
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,840
because i came from an academic

844
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,159
background and as much as possible when

845
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,240
i made my films i tried to

846
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,159
take an objective stance and present

847
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,000
both sides of the story which is why

848
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,919
nobody i ever interviewed from either

849
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,720
say skeptic or believer ever really

850
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,880
criticized my films or at least the way

851
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,320
they were treated in the film so i could

852
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,320
put karl flock on one side and i could

853
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,000
put stan friedman or kevin randle on the

854
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,600
other side and i did in more than one

855
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,760
film and all of them would say we were

856
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,360
treated fairly you gave us an

857
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,120
opportunity to put our views out there

858
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,960
and then i would say to people hey make

859
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,480
up your own mind and occasionally i

860
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,080
might say here's what i think but you

861
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,519
know my opinion is probably no more

862
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,600
valid than yours if you watch this film

863
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,880
because we're all coming from the same

864
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,720
place and that's always what i tried to

865
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,720
do but it frustrated me when i got

866
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,960
involved in ufology to find out that

867
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,480
there were very few people that took

868
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,039
that sort of approach on either side

869
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,559
frankly i've been very critical of the

870
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,640
believers but it's it's also very true

871
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,720
of the disbelievers and somewhere in the

872
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,000
middle there's a smaller group of

873
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,159
skeptical thinkers who keep an open mind

874
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,440
and those are the ones over the years

875
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,960
i've gravitated to

876
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,679
greg bishop mac tony's nick redfern

877
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,440
aaron gullius who's in the story and

878
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,120
teaches up in michigan you know these

879
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,640
are the kind of people that that i've

880
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,480
gravitated to but it's a small group and

881
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,880
it's getting smaller my big problem with

882
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,519
the way ufo research is today is that

883
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,360
either people treat it as entertainment

884
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,919
which i guess it can be or they're so

885
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,159
accepting of everything

886
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,919
they've got the blinders on that it gets

887
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,440
difficult and i don't want to attack the

888
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,399
guy but our guest last week jan harzan

889
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,159
is a really really

890
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,240
nice guy he's a real gentleman and i

891
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,559
think he's working hard to make

892
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,080
mufon more

893
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,399
friendly to an online audience they've

894
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,320
got an e-book version

895
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,960
of their journal after all these years

896
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,559
of having it look like it came out the

897
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,480
rotary club or something

898
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,159
really looks nice and i guess he's

899
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,760
trying to make a solid effort to attract

900
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,200
younger people

901
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,159
but he doesn't discriminate enough

902
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,919
against people with pretty wacky

903
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,600
theories you see this in the mufon

904
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,799
symposiums and you see this in

905
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,279
the content online and the problem with

906
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,480
that is

907
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,399
with all the good intentions if you

908
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,559
allow that stuff to get in without

909
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,919
criticism

910
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,000
in the end it just hurts their efforts

911
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,679
they're not going anywhere well it

912
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,679
legitimizes it and a lot of the

913
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,039
information that's

914
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,120
that's that's on the internet uh for

915
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,200
instance um

916
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,519
because it is not

917
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,960
vetted properly um as paul described i

918
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,679
mean the internet is is is really a sad

919
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,399
example really to use but but a vast

920
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,320
majority of what you see on the internet

921
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,760
is absolute bunk every time i see a post

922
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,839
and they've just been coming fast and

923
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,119
furious um from the basset crowd that

924
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,040
obama is going to be the disclosure

925
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,280
president he's going to

926
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,760
open up the the box of secrets before he

927
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,320
leaves office and every time i see that

928
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,639
i put in there i have a hundred dollars

929
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,960
on paypal and i'd be willing to bet

930
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,800
anybody out there

931
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,320
100

932
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,879
that this will not happen guess how many

933
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,399
takers i've gotten

934
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,520
we're going to play the sound of the

935
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,280
crickets ladies and gentlemen

936
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,119
yeah crickets would be good look you

937
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,520
know it's it's true i actually

938
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,000
saw online the following exchange and

939
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,240
i'm going to summarize it but prior to

940
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,760
the election everybody was going look if

941
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,839
hillary clinton gets elected and bassett

942
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,599
was pushing this on some radio shows he

943
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,639
was on

944
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,240
she's the disclosure president because

945
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,760
of the lawrence rockefeller thing and

946
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,599
the clintons and all that you know bill

947
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,520
couldn't do it but hillary would

948
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,400
okay

949
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,320
good luck steve but i think he was on

950
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,160
tim benall's show too and he was like

951
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,000
this is gonna happen trump can't

952
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,440
possibly win the election hillary's

953
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,119
gonna win and then boom it's you know

954
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,760
it's disclosure so okay trump wins the

955
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,880
election

956
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,359
or as i like to call him doctor zeus

957
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,240
and

958
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,920
not as smart as dr zeus but he looks a

959
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,040
lot like him

960
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,800
and so trump wins and you think well

961
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,480
okay this must the disclosure people

962
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,599
must be um for many reasons probably but

963
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:29,040
certainly for the disclosure reason must

964
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,560
be thinking this is the apocalypse right

965
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,240
we'll never hear it cause clinton was

966
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,160
our teeth yeah clinton was our

967
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,400
disclosure person nope they immediately

968
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,320
pivot and they say you know what trump's

969
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,400
our disclosure person why because he's a

970
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,800
change agent because he's he's outside

971
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,320
the system he's going to drain the swamp

972
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,839
and you know all that stupid stuff that

973
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,960
he says but he's not bound by the by the

974
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,520
elites or anything which is laughable

975
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,680
but you know he's the disclosure

976
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,599
president and i'm thinking you know what

977
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,920
you could have elected dr zaius like you

978
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,920
really could have elected the dr zaius

979
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,599
the mythical fictional character and

980
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,200
they would have said he's the disclosure

981
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,200
president they could elect me and i'd be

982
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,720
the disclosure president it wouldn't

983
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,800
matter these people will always find a

984
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,400
reason to

985
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,119
believe and in some cases and i think

986
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,720
this is true of the people who propagate

987
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,240
this stuff to

988
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,599
push it forward so that they can

989
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,359
continue to make money off it it's

990
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,800
almost like you know hitler's view on

991
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,040
war or the nazi view on war garing in

992
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,359
particular a perpetual war is a good

993
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,520
thing because it keeps people ginned up

994
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,119
and nationalistic and everything you

995
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,880
always have an enemy to fight

996
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,440
you also keep the military contractors

997
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,480
well-fed

998
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,000
because they're building all that great

999
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,480
military hardware but i'm also thinking

1000
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,400
of the boy who cried wolf and let's go

1001
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,920
into that in our next segment as we

1002
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,760
continue this discussion we've got paul

1003
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:45,599
kimball with gene and chris

1004
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:59,349
[Music]

1005
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1058
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hi this is sophie winik long-time

1059
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,599
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1060
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products in the last few years my family

1061
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went through a crisis everything else in

1062
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my life including my business had to be

1063
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put on the back burner thankfully life

1064
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,200
is getting back to normal now but the

1065
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one thing i never had to worry about was

1066
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my business and my monthly commission

1067
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,400
i've been a distributor for youngevity

1068
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,880
for over 17 years since before it was

1069
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,720
youngevity and i've got to say the most

1070
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,640
amazing thing about this company is the

1071
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,960
people while my family was in crisis

1072
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,880
other distributors stepped in and helped

1073
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my customers simply because that's what

1074
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,960
youngevity people do even for people

1075
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,040
they don't know for me it has never been

1076
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about getting rich it was about a

1077
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product i could stand behind a company i

1078
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could count on and a monthly commission

1079
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,680
check that has never not once been late

1080
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,960
in 17 years youngevity is truly a

1081
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business for everyone even people who

1082
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,760
have too much to do i'm sophie winik i'm

1083
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just like you i have a real life real

1084
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ups and downs but i know i will always

1085
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,200
have longevity

1086
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1087
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1088
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1089
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health risks from exposure to emf

1090
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1091
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time to protect yourself is now the

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[Music]

1100
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,400
hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer

1101
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,599
stanton friedman you are listening to

1102
00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:21,359
the paracast

1103
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:24,680
the gold standard of paranormal radio

1104
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,040
[Music]

1105
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,440
so let's continue with that what about

1106
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,680
paul kimball the boy who cried wolf

1107
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,160
phenomenon how many years can stephen

1108
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,720
bassett say this is the disclosure

1109
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,160
president it's going to happen this year

1110
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,359
it's going to happen this year it's

1111
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,359
going to happen this year before people

1112
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,040
say you've been saying that already for

1113
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,680
20 years give it up man

1114
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,359
well the people who would say that were

1115
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,960
people like me that would have said that

1116
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,119
at the very beginning so we don't matter

1117
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,440
to him again this isn't meant to be

1118
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,520
critical of president-elect trump but

1119
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,359
i'm just going to use him as an example

1120
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,119
everybody and i was one of them who

1121
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,800
considers themselves you know i have

1122
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,319
degrees in history and political science

1123
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,079
i'm informed on american politics i've

1124
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,359
studied it

1125
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,000
and i was convinced as the pollsters

1126
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,680
were as everybody was that trump was

1127
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:15,200
going to lose and that he was probably

1128
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,319
going to get hammered but he was

1129
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,240
definitely going to lose oh p.s he did

1130
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,000
lose the popular vote but let's not get

1131
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,839
into that because you folks don't live

1132
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,760
in a real democracy and neither do we

1133
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,119
here in canada because we have a

1134
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,640
first-past-the-post system where people

1135
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,079
can get elected to parliament with you

1136
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,880
know 38 of the vote in any writing

1137
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,640
so we all live in this mythical world

1138
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,240
where we actually think everyone's vote

1139
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,800
counts equally but he told so many

1140
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,079
obvious flat out lies and contradictions

1141
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
and stuff and we just said people can't

1142
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:44,000
possibly keep swallowing this so you

1143
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,359
know he would lie about one thing you go

1144
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,760
this this is the rubicon line this is it

1145
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,359
this is his red line nope apparently

1146
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,040
that didn't work well then this is his

1147
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,440
red line oh no and i remember when the

1148
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,960
thing came out with the billy bush and

1149
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,960
coming off the bus and the horrible

1150
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,280
things that he said in that clip

1151
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,599
everybody said that's it he can't

1152
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,400
possibly survive this and he did because

1153
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,920
the people that were going to vote for

1154
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,640
him didn't care or they wanted to

1155
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,119
believe so badly in the overall

1156
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,800
narrative that he was selling which was

1157
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,359
change of a certain sort that they were

1158
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,280
willing to overlook all of these other

1159
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,720
things that should have been giant red

1160
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:20,400
flags that would have said oh my god we

1161
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,440
can't possibly vote for dr zeus the same

1162
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,680
thing is true in ufology so steven

1163
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,599
bassett i don't even know if his mind

1164
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,680
works this way but i'm a business person

1165
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,599
so it would work this way for me bassett

1166
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,960
would look and he would say you know

1167
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,440
what i can say almost anything because

1168
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,760
the people who would be offended by it

1169
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,119
or would roll their eyes they're not

1170
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,480
supporting me anyway

1171
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,800
but the people who are supporting me the

1172
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,680
more i give them the more they they buy

1173
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,640
into it

1174
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,240
so i'm just going to get more and more

1175
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,400
outrageous greer has done the same thing

1176
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,839
he's gone from being when i first saw

1177
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,800
him speak in 2001 i sort of thought he

1178
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,040
was a little out there which is an

1179
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,880
understatement but he was very nice to

1180
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,880
me in fact i just sent folks will be

1181
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,480
able to see this on the pericast plus i

1182
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,000
turned it into a film all these years

1183
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,599
later the interview that i did with

1184
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,200
greer back then and he sounds more or

1185
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:10,079
less sane and rational and sensible even

1186
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,119
though every now and then he'll say

1187
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,640
something a little weird

1188
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,440
so

1189
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,760
15 years later stephen greer is looking

1190
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,680
at dead alien babies and he did that

1191
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,200
film where he has the guys with the guns

1192
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,480
and he goes i have the dead man's

1193
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,800
trigger you know or whatever it was

1194
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,560
that's that was his progression and so

1195
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,680
you would think that nobody would ever

1196
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,119
listen to stephen greer again because he

1197
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,079
just went nuts no he doubled down on

1198
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,920
what his audience wanted to hear he

1199
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599
figured out what his audience was like

1200
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,520
most good con men and he said i don't

1201
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,280
care about anybody else

1202
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,880
i just i'm going to give them what they

1203
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,200
want and that will just make me more

1204
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,599
popular it's a tried and true tactic of

1205
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,599
con men whether it's in politics which

1206
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,200
is what you folks have now or whether

1207
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,800
it's in business or whether wherever it

1208
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,800
is and so that's what these guys have

1209
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,800
done and they've been very successful at

1210
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,480
doing it and there's no way a number of

1211
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,160
them and they're huge they're hugely

1212
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,960
popular uh david wilcock you've already

1213
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,119
mentioned greer and bassett but another

1214
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,560
one david ike

1215
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,720
it's just amazing to me that that he

1216
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,680
fills

1217
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,640
standing room only crowds and 1500 to

1218
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,520
2000 seat theaters and then keeps him in

1219
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,160
there all day for eight hours the first

1220
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,240
four hours he talks about how it's

1221
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,680
really important to create your own

1222
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,920
reality correctly and then the second

1223
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,160
four hours when they come back for lunch

1224
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,400
he just totally freaks everybody out

1225
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,319
with all this uh you know the the queen

1226
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,359
mother used to eat babies and now queen

1227
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,200
elizabeth is a reptoid and all this

1228
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,800
stuff and it's there's just a little bit

1229
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,200
of cognitive dissonance going on it's

1230
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,280
amazing to me that people

1231
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,200
are are so gullible or they suspend

1232
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,119
their disbelief to to

1233
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,960
even even even the slightest bit of

1234
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,800
degree when when they buy into this

1235
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,960
stuff it's just i don't know

1236
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,599
it just never ceases to amaze me ike is

1237
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,920
a very interesting cat it's i'm glad you

1238
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,000
mentioned him because i actually like

1239
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,839
david ike and folks are probably going

1240
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,560
to go what paul kimmel likes david ike

1241
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,640
no i don't believe you know that the

1242
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,640
lizard people are taking over the world

1243
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,960
or whatever but ike's one of those he's

1244
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,720
the one guy that i sort of sometimes

1245
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,119
wonder is he in on the joke like i think

1246
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,720
most of the disclosure people are either

1247
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,400
true believers or they're out for making

1248
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,200
money

1249
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,359
some of the things that ike says many of

1250
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,880
them are problematic and some of them

1251
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,880
are very disturbing actually again

1252
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,480
talking about some of those anti-semitic

1253
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,920
undercurrents that take place within

1254
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,280
ufology

1255
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,319
but part of me wonders is david ike sort

1256
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,119
of doing some sort of jonathan swift

1257
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,119
kind of critique

1258
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,839
of everything he's making it as part of

1259
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,240
this fantasy parable that he's

1260
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
constructed and i don't think most of

1261
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,400
the people who go to his lectures think

1262
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,079
that way so i think they probably take

1263
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,599
them at face value and that's probably

1264
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,079
why ike is not doing what i think he's

1265
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,599
you know might be doing what a smarter

1266
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,359
person could do what a more interesting

1267
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,839
person could do but i have to say when i

1268
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,760
i've listened to ike speak he's

1269
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,520
charismatic as many of these people are

1270
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,119
he's a captivating speaker he's

1271
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,240
interesting

1272
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,240
and i can see how they sort of get taken

1273
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,480
along with it and when i listen to it i

1274
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,880
go you know what if i pull this out and

1275
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,560
this out and this out in this out not

1276
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,960
all of it but some of what he's saying i

1277
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,200
could reconstruct that in a film or a

1278
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,520
lecture make a great screenplay in a

1279
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,760
sort of social critique of our modern

1280
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:18,640
day society that would not be dissimilar

1281
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,560
to some of the things that the

1282
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,960
situationists were were coming out with

1283
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,040
in the 1960s you know critiquing the

1284
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:27,200
society of the spectacle and stuff at

1285
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,560
the end of the day i kind of came to the

1286
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,000
conclusion that that's not what ike's

1287
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,720
doing but it sounds like what he's doing

1288
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,240
if you understand what i'm saying there

1289
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,160
is a place for that kind of stuff and

1290
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,720
frankly i think in our modern society we

1291
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,800
can't tell the difference anymore

1292
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,240
people can't and this gets back to

1293
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,319
gene's original question i think so many

1294
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,599
people just can't tell the difference

1295
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,119
between what's real and what's not

1296
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,960
anymore and that gets back to the fake

1297
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,640
news where more people seem to be

1298
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,800
getting their information from fake news

1299
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,880
than they are from real news and then

1300
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,240
you sort of say well what's the real

1301
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,560
news anymore because fox has an agenda

1302
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,280
msnbc has an agenda it's hard to find a

1303
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,079
media outlet on television that doesn't

1304
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,720
have some sort of agenda usually to drum

1305
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:09,520
up ratings newspapers which are dying

1306
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,640
are the last real refuge of true

1307
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,720
journalism and that's probably why

1308
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,079
they're dying because people don't want

1309
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,640
real journalism they want entertainment

1310
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,200
well that's the whole point that i saw

1311
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,640
happening when i first started in

1312
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,599
broadcast journalism tv stations radio

1313
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,079
stations in the us had to prove they

1314
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,720
were operating as a public service in

1315
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,800
order to get your license renewed you

1316
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,559
had to have a public file

1317
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,720
allow the public to look at it and

1318
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,599
demonstrate to the fcc that you had

1319
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,599
content in the public interest not just

1320
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,800
the dj chatter or talk shows

1321
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,960
you had to have something in the public

1322
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,200
interest to justify your license then

1323
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,359
they decide that cable companies had to

1324
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,920
originate their own content and then it

1325
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,680
was public access

1326
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,440
anyone could get on there if there was

1327
00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:59,920
room on the cable tv network i know i

1328
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,960
hosted a tv interview show when i worked

1329
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,960
for a radio station that owned the cable

1330
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,280
tv system in a particular town just

1331
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,119
outside of philadelphia

1332
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,119
and then later on they

1333
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:14,000
demonstrated that just like regular tv

1334
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,040
networks

1335
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,240
or sell

1336
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,440
content at a premium rate monthly charge

1337
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,480
like hbo and showtime and make money and

1338
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,800
then with roon arledge back in the 70s

1339
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,000
and 80s

1340
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,800
abc news essentially merged with the

1341
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,359
entertainment and sports divisions so it

1342
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,319
was demonstrated right there that news

1343
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,640
could be a form of entertainment could

1344
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,000
be a profit maker and then you had this

1345
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,000
problem all over the place local tv

1346
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,920
stations with happy talk news and

1347
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,559
everything it was all about marketing it

1348
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,720
was all about entertainment and without

1349
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,559
getting back to politics because people

1350
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,960
hate when we talk politics the head of

1351
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,200
cbs news said that one specific

1352
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,079
politician in the last election got a

1353
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,760
lot of coverage not because he was

1354
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,440
newsworthy or they believed in what he

1355
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,559
was saying but because it was good

1356
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,440
for

1357
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,800
ratings

1358
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,599
right

1359
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,200
i think it's important not to lose sight

1360
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,440
of the what was it called equal time i

1361
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,000
think was a stipulation

1362
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,319
that the broadcast media had to provide

1363
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,559
equal time for descending views

1364
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,559
and during the early years of the reagan

1365
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,319
you know the first reagan

1366
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:26,960
administration the first four years that

1367
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,000
was uh repealed by congress and so

1368
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,960
that's when you had the demagogues uh

1369
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040
both on the right and the left uh

1370
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,960
started to appear the limbaughs and

1371
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,559
others and

1372
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,760
they didn't have to provide a sort of

1373
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,319
equal time to descending views

1374
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,960
um and especially in in the um

1375
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,960
the national news it became very

1376
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,839
insidious and i think the way that they

1377
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:54,319
were very very smart and cagey about how

1378
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,000
they've they've gone ahead and slanted

1379
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,680
their particular editorial position on

1380
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,200
issues

1381
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,319
i i think

1382
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,000
for the average person

1383
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,960
they don't really recognize it and and

1384
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,760
they're slowly kind of ignored into

1385
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,079
into the propaganda that they're being

1386
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,720
fed and and unfortunately you know most

1387
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,079
people

1388
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,920
aren't like paul they're not like me

1389
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,359
they're not like eugene they don't

1390
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,800
actually

1391
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:23,920
number one

1392
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,119
have the time or the inclination or even

1393
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:28,559
the know-how

1394
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,480
or the motivation to really find out

1395
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:35,119
more with paul gene and chris you're in

1396
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1397
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1403
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1405
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1406
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1407
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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1408
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help after a terrible battle in outer

1409
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:15,680
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1410
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,839
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1411
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,760
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1412
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,480
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1413
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1414
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1415
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1417
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1419
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1420
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1421
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1423
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1426
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1427
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1428
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:07,920
views add to these large trucks and

1429
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,640
buses 18-wheelers and large buses have

1430
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,280
big blind spots and like my apartment

1431
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,280
they don't always have the best view

1432
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,200
bus and truck drivers deal with blind

1433
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,359
spots around the entire vehicle

1434
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,520
always take care not to ride alongside

1435
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,359
or too close behind them

1436
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,400
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1437
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1438
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1439
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1449
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1450
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1451
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1452
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1453
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[Applause]

1454
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,079
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1455
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,760
standard of paranormal radio

1456
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:15,040
and now

1457
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,310
here's jane steinberg

1458
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,030
we're continuing here with i guess the

1459
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,480
end of broadcast news as i knew it when

1460
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:30,960
i was a young whippersnapper

1461
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,000
with gene paul and chris

1462
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,400
it's been a slow slow downward slide for

1463
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,559
the last 30 years really

1464
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,319
it hasn't been really apparent i think

1465
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,880
for most people of course you know

1466
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,040
everybody on the left says that that the

1467
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,440
the media is is right wing and everybody

1468
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,599
on the right says the media is liberal

1469
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,960
and leftist

1470
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,720
you know it all depends on who you

1471
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,720
choose to listen to and

1472
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,440
unfortunately because of that equal time

1473
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,400
uh

1474
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,160
stipulation that used to be really

1475
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,000
stringently enforced by the fcc i must

1476
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,839
say and i think it's a combination of

1477
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,200
that in the

1478
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,880
consolidation i think during the reagan

1479
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,359
years they they allowed um

1480
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,839
you know corporations to start acquiring

1481
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,520
and becoming

1482
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,200
having sort of monopolies in local

1483
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,200
markets and then of course under clinton

1484
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,040
and you had the the real consolidation

1485
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,440
of media in this country and now most

1486
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,599
major media outlets are controlled by

1487
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,680
i think it's six different uh

1488
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,119
corporations

1489
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,640
um instead of

1490
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,520
back in the early 80s late 70s it was

1491
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,520
almost 2000

1492
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,599
separate owners of major media outlets

1493
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,200
and now it's been consolidated down to

1494
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,720
six paul you might correct me if i'm

1495
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,960
wrong there i'm pretty sure that that's

1496
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,040
fairly fairly correct

1497
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,480
clear channel is a classic example and

1498
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,880
of course the and i don't want to get in

1499
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:51,520
again to into the politics but i think

1500
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,280
when you overlay this kind of societal

1501
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,359
it's almost like the polarization is

1502
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,119
going on and when you when you put that

1503
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,160
into the ufological realm in the

1504
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:03,920
paranormal in general

1505
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,440
you have these really polarized camps

1506
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,960
that

1507
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,799
really will stick to their guns about

1508
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:12,880
one particular

1509
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:15,839
belief system or slant that they that

1510
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,839
they feel intuitively is often the

1511
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,079
when i ask people why do you think

1512
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,520
you know why do you believe what you

1513
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,319
believe i mean what what is it about

1514
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,119
about your belief in this that's that's

1515
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,799
made you so fervently

1516
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,040
you know convinced that this particular

1517
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,920
opinion you have is is correct and and

1518
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,640
pretty much most people say well i

1519
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,280
intuit it or it's my intuition tells me

1520
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,960
that this is so

1521
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,119
not that i researched it and i've done a

1522
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,559
lot of digging i've done a lot of

1523
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,960
reading i've i've really dug into this

1524
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:51,680
and i've i've made an informed opinion

1525
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,119
as paul was mentioning before but people

1526
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,160
feel it's it's this way or they intuit

1527
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,640
it's this way and that that's

1528
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,799
that's major like clacks and arm you

1529
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,400
know alarm bells and everything else go

1530
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,319
off in my head when i when i'm starting

1531
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,160
to hear this more and more i don't know

1532
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,359
what do you think paul you're finding

1533
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,280
that too that people are just you know

1534
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,920
intuiting oh that it's just you know it

1535
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,440
sounds right

1536
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,760
well i intuit stuff too for instance

1537
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,520
should i have a cheeseburger tonight or

1538
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,680
a pizza that i just go with what my

1539
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,160
literally got is telling me but

1540
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,440
because you can't you know they're both

1541
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,160
bad for you but the republic was founded

1542
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,520
i'll pretend i'm an american for a

1543
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,520
second but our democrat you know canada

1544
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,599
was founded too all of our the western

1545
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,000
democratic systems were founded and this

1546
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,920
isn't political this breaks out into

1547
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,200
everything we're talking about so it

1548
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,480
could be about politics but it could be

1549
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,079
about ufos and ghosts and everything

1550
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,720
else too was founded by men they were

1551
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,359
all men who had this idea that you would

1552
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,920
have an educated enlightened citizenry

1553
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,359
so you would have people that would be

1554
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,680
educated in politics history philosophy

1555
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,599
these things mattered back then so in

1556
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,040
your case the founding fathers for

1557
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,760
instance were by and large all

1558
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,280
today we will look at them and say you

1559
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,720
guys are the creme de la creme you are

1560
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,880
the elites which they were back then too

1561
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,359
but they were educated and you can

1562
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,960
disagree or agree with their opinions

1563
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,640
and and place them in their own context

1564
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,319
of the time but one thing you can't say

1565
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,240
is that these were folks that didn't

1566
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,319
have a breath of knowledge as it existed

1567
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,960
at the time we don't have that anymore

1568
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,760
so

1569
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,119
i had this long conversation with a

1570
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,680
friend of mine about how i believe that

1571
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:24,799
business

1572
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,200
universities now i know that's you know

1573
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:31,280
that's never going to change and i'm i'm

1574
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,319
preaching to against the winds of of

1575
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,559
what's going to happen but to me

1576
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,160
and i suppose maybe even the you could

1577
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,520
teach it there but at the same time you

1578
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,799
have to make sure that those people are

1579
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,319
coming out with mbas and business

1580
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,760
degrees and whatever they should be

1581
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,680
getting a liberal arts education and i

1582
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,079
use liberal with a small l not political

1583
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,400
but philosophy sociology history

1584
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,040
politics so that civics so that they can

1585
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,640
have a broader understanding of our

1586
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,440
society and how it works and make more

1587
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,040
informed decisions about the things that

1588
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,720
really matter and the things that really

1589
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,680
matter and not about whether you're

1590
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,839
going to open a new franchise down the

1591
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,440
street but about how you're going to

1592
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:07,520
vote and how you want to structure our

1593
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,480
world

1594
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,040
so you know within ufology the same kind

1595
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,280
of thing is true that

1596
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,119
here's an interesting question

1597
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,440
for the people on your forums or who are

1598
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,200
listening now

1599
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,040
who consider themselves even if they

1600
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,880
wouldn't use this word to be believers

1601
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,319
who accept maybe say the

1602
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,559
extraterrestrial hypothesis as the

1603
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,480
extraterrestrial fact for the ufo

1604
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:30,640
phenomenon okay that's fine you have an

1605
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,599
opinion

1606
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,640
fair enough

1607
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:34,960
ask yourself this question

1608
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:38,319
how many ufo books have you read

1609
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,119
then take that number and split it into

1610
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,720
two categories how many pro eth books

1611
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,359
have you read so for instance stanton

1612
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,960
friedman's crash of corona would be a

1613
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,160
pro eth book actually any book by stan

1614
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,559
any book by kevin for instance

1615
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,359
then ask your rich dolan's books then

1616
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,319
ask yourself okay how many books by

1617
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,760
skeptics have i read so carl sagan or if

1618
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,520
you won't really want to go back donald

1619
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,160
menzel or any of those guys how many of

1620
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,520
those books have i read the content

1621
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,559
report

1622
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,160
cover to cover you don't even have to

1623
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,359
read it cover to cover have i read

1624
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,799
condon's conclusions you don't have to

1625
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,319
agree with them but just ask yourself

1626
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,839
have you looked at both sides of the

1627
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,440
argument before you came to your

1628
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,640
conclusion

1629
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,400
not a condensed version of the other

1630
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,920
side's argument or not what somebody

1631
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:26,000
told you their argument was but the

1632
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,440
actual argument that they made

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01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,839
themselves now if you've done that if

1634
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,359
you're listening or if you're reading on

1635
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:33,119
the forums and you've actually done that

1636
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,319
then we can have an interesting

1637
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,240
conversation i might agree or disagree

1638
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,760
with you but at least we're coming from

1639
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,240
an informed sort of perspective but if

1640
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,000
you haven't done that then we can't have

1641
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,559
that conversation we were at the 2007 i

1642
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:47,119
was at the 2007 x conference

1643
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,640
and nick pope and i were sitting in a

1644
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,880
bar afterwards and both of us were

1645
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,160
speaking there and these folks came up

1646
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,839
to us and they were nice and friendly

1647
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,680
and they wanted more or less to talk to

1648
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,359
nick but i was there so they were

1649
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:58,960
talking to me too and they wanted to

1650
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,079
talk about 911 and conspiracy theories

1651
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,160
about how it was all an inside job blah

1652
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,760
blah blah all of this

1653
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,359
and at one point nick just looked at

1654
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,960
them because nick kept going back to the

1655
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,720
911 commission report and saying well in

1656
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:12,400
the 911 commission report they said this

1657
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,200
and this

1658
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:14,960
and these people were totally dismissing

1659
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,520
the 911 commission report so nick asked

1660
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,280
a very reasonable question he said well

1661
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,480
have you actually read the 911

1662
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,640
commission report i have paul have you

1663
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,240
read it i went yes i was agreeing with

1664
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,760
nick by the way so i said yep i've read

1665
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,400
it

1666
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:28,000
and these folks looked at us and they

1667
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,880
said

1668
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,960
no why would we read it it's full of

1669
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,920
lies

1670
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,640
and

1671
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,880
you know maybe it is but nick just

1672
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,720
looked at them and in as polite away as

1673
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,240
nick pope could be said you know how

1674
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,520
many of you have read the 9 11

1675
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,599
commission report and they all looked at

1676
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,599
us and said well none of us why would we

1677
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,160
read it it's full of lies and so nick

1678
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:48,720
and i both looked at each other kind of

1679
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,520
and

1680
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,119
nick said well i've read it paul have

1681
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,400
you read it and i said yes of course

1682
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,960
i've read it and he said to the people

1683
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,520
that we were sitting across from well

1684
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,280
see we can't really have a conversation

1685
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,520
about this can we because we know what

1686
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,280
we're talking about and you don't you

1687
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,960
don't have to agree with us you can

1688
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:06,880
think the 911 commission report was

1689
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,040
complete bs but if you haven't read it

1690
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,880
you don't know that all you're doing is

1691
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,319
listening to what somebody's told you to

1692
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,599
say and they got very offended by this

1693
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,440
nick and i sort of were quite amused by

1694
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,280
their offense and they said well you're

1695
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,720
clear i think they actually said to nick

1696
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,880
you're clearly part of the the cabal or

1697
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:25,119
the you know you're one of them and they

1698
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,480
didn't really know who i was so i guess

1699
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,079
they assumed i was one of them too maybe

1700
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,839
i was nick's handler so anyway they got

1701
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,839
up and they stalked off which was great

1702
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,520
because they were really really tiresome

1703
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,720
to talk to

1704
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,200
and then they had ordered drinks though

1705
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:38,960
so the waitress came by with their

1706
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:41,040
drinks and they'd already left and she

1707
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,400
she said well where did they go and i

1708
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,480
don't know so she left them on the table

1709
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:46,160
nick and i got a free drink out of it

1710
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:47,599
and sort of nick just kind of turned to

1711
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,640
me and he said well that worked out

1712
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,960
nicely didn't it and so you know there's

1713
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,319
always a happy ending to some of these

1714
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:54,160
stories because if you can chase off the

1715
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,280
crazy people who don't know what they're

1716
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,200
talking about then sometimes you get a

1717
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,559
free drink out of it which is really

1718
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,640
cool that is of course if you want free

1719
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,280
drinks i really would prefer to diet

1720
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,359
coke but that's just me you know i want

1721
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,799
to just mention something here and we'll

1722
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,160
get into it in our next segment before

1723
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:10,240
we go on and that's about a segment that

1724
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,119
we did i'm after the power cast with

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01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,119
nick pope now to really know what i'm

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talking about you have to be a member of

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the powercast plus because this was as i

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said an episode of after the powercast

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plus just go to plus.powercast.com

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and i might get to that in our next

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segment because it's fascinating the

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kind of reaction or non-reaction we had

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and that goes back to the object lesson

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of your little encounter with him and

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so sometime back chris had a problem

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01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:26,000
with making the recording session for

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01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,520
after the power cast and i see nick

1836
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,880
pope's online

1837
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,480
and i dropped him a note hey nick you

1838
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,239
want to come on after the power cast

1839
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:34,000
sure but how would you like to talk

1840
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,359
about something different because it

1841
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:37,279
turns out that if you look at nick

1842
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,640
pope's site

1843
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,799
among his areas of expertise is

1844
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:43,600
conspiracy theories but more often than

1845
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:44,480
not

1846
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:46,960
he'll subscribe to the conventional

1847
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,279
explanation he's looked at both sides he

1848
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,040
decides that the kennedy assassination

1849
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,440
was the lone gunman lee rv oswald we can

1850
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,960
get into that later or not that 911 was

1851
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,560
pretty much as

1852
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,799
was concluded in the 911 report but he's

1853
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,239
looked at both sides

1854
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,080
and he gives his opinion he talks about

1855
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,640
what he considers to be real conspiracy

1856
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,679
theories

1857
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,199
and you can't believe the negative

1858
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,359
reaction we got in the forums

1859
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,359
nick pope is a tool

1860
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,440
because he worked of course for

1861
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,000
the british ministry of defense

1862
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,120
all right that's one thing nobody ever

1863
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,520
actually not a single person

1864
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,480
went to the episode and talked pro or

1865
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,480
khan about any of the points

1866
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,480
they just said nick pope

1867
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,560
we dismiss it that's it end of story

1868
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,080
nick wouldn't mind as long as he got a

1869
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,839
free beer out of it that was well there

1870
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,359
was that but he was a couple hundred

1871
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,839
miles away so i couldn't give him one no

1872
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,440
didn't work out that way look you know

1873
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,080
this the same thing is true of anybody

1874
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,159
who talks about these things i remember

1875
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,040
being at the aztec ufo symposium in i

1876
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,799
think was 2004 i went there for three

1877
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,960
straight years and i was filming but i

1878
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,199
was also speaking and i walked out one

1879
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,360
night a guy named george green pretty

1880
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,960
sure that was his name was speaking

1881
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,440
there and he was totally it was this if

1882
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,440
you combined jeff rents david ike

1883
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stephen greer and joseph gibbles all

1884
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into one that was this guy and his his

1885
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,719
theories were out there is totally loopy

1886
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:12,000
i was just trying to be a polite

1887
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,600
canadian my brother was with me too we

1888
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,880
were trying to be polite canadian so we

1889
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,640
were outside talking to him about

1890
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anything other than what he had talked

1891
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about

1892
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,960
and these these two people came up and

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they were sort of you know in their 40s

1894
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,560
and they kind of looked i hate to say

1895
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,320
but they kind of look like hippies

1896
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,640
walter bosley now would go hippies

1897
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,679
and they wanted to talk to him but they

1898
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,199
turned and asked me you know what do you

1899
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,159
think of what george green is saying

1900
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,719
well when asked for my opinion i usually

1901
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,800
give it so in the politest way possible

1902
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,040
i said well i don't really agree with it

1903
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,120
and i don't think he's you know he's

1904
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,040
right and i pointed out a few mistakes

1905
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,080
just basic history errors that he had

1906
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:52,000
made in his presentation when he was

1907
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,440
trying to cobble this story together or

1908
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,920
lies i don't know which it was and he

1909
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,080
got really offended and he stalked off

1910
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:00,960
which again perfect you know mission

1911
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:03,360
accomplished but these two people then

1912
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,560
went into this tirade about me

1913
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,080
and said well are you one of them and i

1914
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,760
went one of who and they said well one

1915
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,760
of the men in black and i went no not

1916
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,440
that i know of i'm not getting no i

1917
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:15,040
don't think jim am i a man in black i

1918
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,480
said to my brother he said no no not

1919
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,239
really and they said well we have this

1920
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,480
book and here it is and we want to give

1921
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,920
you a copy and it was like a little

1922
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,080
pamphlet and it listed everybody they

1923
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,480
considered a sort of part of them the

1924
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,080
government agency

1925
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,239
and sort of why i remember thinking well

1926
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,440
okay that guy might actually be a

1927
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,199
government spy pretty sure that guy

1928
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,960
isn't then i got to nick redfern's name

1929
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,560
i went nick redfern

1930
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,040
and the reason for why nick redfern was

1931
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,199
so i said to them nick redfearn he's a

1932
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,800
friend of mine why why would he be and

1933
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,320
as soon as i said he's a friend of mine

1934
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,840
they went

1935
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:47,520
well you clearly are one of them we're

1936
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,040
going to put you on the list which they

1937
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,640
eventually did by the way they put it

1938
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,080
online and eventually i wound up on

1939
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:54,719
their list but the reason was because

1940
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,440
nick redfern always wore black and i

1941
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,760
just thought are you guys kidding me

1942
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,600
nick redfern wears black because he was

1943
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:03,679
a punk rocker from the united kingdom in

1944
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,280
the 1970s it's built into his dna you

1945
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:09,280
know morrissey i wear black on the

1946
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,800
outside because black is how i feel on

1947
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:13,199
the inside kind of thing what and so

1948
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,560
this was the kind of thing though that

1949
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,800
you would get confronted with and again

1950
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,480
there's no point in talking to these

1951
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:20,239
folks unless you're studying them as a

1952
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,840
sociological group or something like

1953
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,760
that which is perfectly valid as an

1954
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:25,040
anthropologist or cultural

1955
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,719
anthropologist you know you can't really

1956
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,239
have a conversation with them so they

1957
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,679
they didn't stock off they gave me the

1958
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,360
book which was nice or the pamphlet and

1959
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,640
then they kind of just wandered off

1960
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:34,320
which is what hippies do

1961
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,679
i was standing there with my brother in

1962
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,360
the parking lot outside where they were

1963
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,960
holding the symposium in aztec and we

1964
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,440
just both went we have really fallen

1965
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,199
through the looking glass haven't we

1966
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,040
like we're further down the rabbit hole

1967
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,880
than we've ever been and we had been

1968
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,800
making films about ufos and the ufo

1969
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,040
subculture for about three years then so

1970
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,040
we just went back to the hotel and had a

1971
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:55,280
beer with some of the speakers who were

1972
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,719
you know more sensible people i think

1973
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,800
stan karl flock was there and you could

1974
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,560
have reasonable conversations so we

1975
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,159
would go back and there's carl and stan

1976
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,040
who disagreed on almost everything and

1977
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,440
carl being ex-cia an ex-department of

1978
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:08,960
defense stan having worked under

1979
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,520
security for many many years and never

1980
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,600
wants to cross my mind to sort of say

1981
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,239
hmm i think you're both part of them but

1982
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,159
then i pulled out my book the pamphlet

1983
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,760
that i've just been given and i said hey

1984
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,600
stan did you know you're one of them and

1985
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:24,000
he went one of who i went them and carl

1986
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,120
did you know you're one of them and he

1987
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,800
said oh yeah no i've known i'm one of

1988
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,719
them for quite a while but you know we

1989
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,640
all had a big chuckle about it and i you

1990
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,000
know it's like bruce mcabee was there

1991
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:34,239
hey bruce do you know you're one of them

1992
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,760
everybody who is speaking at that

1993
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,600
conference except for george green was

1994
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,520
one of them you know that's kind of the

1995
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,360
weird world that some of these folks

1996
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,199
live in you just kind of have to smile

1997
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,360
and laugh and and just take it with a

1998
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,840
grain of salt as best you can well one

1999
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,640
time a former co-host of the power casts

2000
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,199
who shall go unmentioned he was on with

2001
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:55,520
someone who was suggesting that someone

2002
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,679
said that co-host may be a cia agent at

2003
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,920
that point in time that co-host hung up

2004
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,679
the phone but i don't want to get back

2005
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,120
into things like that i think it's

2006
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,440
ridiculous i know they used to say our

2007
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,840
old friend jim mosley was one of them

2008
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,840
because his dad of course was a very

2009
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,000
high muckety-muck in the u.s army and

2010
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,800
very right-wing and anti-semitic except

2011
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,480
that most of jim mosley's closest

2012
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,560
friends were jewish as i can personally

2013
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,760
attest so not like father-like son but

2014
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:25,920
we can see there the mindset with the

2015
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,920
reaction of nick pope what did nick pope

2016
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,000
do wrong i mean he seems like a nice

2017
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,400
kind gentle guy and you can take what he

2018
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,640
says seriously or not but he's a

2019
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,000
gentleman and we don't have enough

2020
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,159
gentlemen in this field nick's an

2021
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:40,400
entertainer first and foremost and he's

2022
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,239
also a researcher and he's got a base of

2023
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,400
information i mean when you want to talk

2024
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,400
to nick about the military there's a ton

2025
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,920
of stuff nick won't talk to you about

2026
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,280
because he's still bound by the official

2027
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,600
secrets act i respect that carl was the

2028
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,760
same way karl flock there were a ton of

2029
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,920
things that carl would only go so far in

2030
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,360
talking about because he was still bound

2031
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,600
by the secrecy oaths that he had made

2032
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,760
in the cia or the department of defense

2033
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,080
and stan i'm sure is probably the same

2034
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:08,159
way too stan is probably still bound by

2035
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,760
some secrecy oaths that he made when

2036
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,600
working in industry on top secret

2037
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,360
projects anybody who's worked under

2038
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,600
secrecy would be you know what i worked

2039
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,600
for the government once there are things

2040
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,520
and had absolutely nothing to do with

2041
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,120
secrecy it was about the film industry i

2042
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,280
was in the film funding agency i won't

2043
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,159
talk to folks even 16 years later about

2044
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,159
how i treated their files back then i'm

2045
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,840
not bound by secrecy oath i just

2046
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:31,679
consider that something where you say

2047
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,080
look there's a privacy to that i'm just

2048
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:36,320
not going to talk about that so i don't

2049
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,440
hold those things against them and

2050
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,199
nobody else should what you should do

2051
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,280
though is say look nick pope has this

2052
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,360
tremendous reservoir of experience and

2053
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,080
knowledge and research and he was there

2054
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,840
and i know people have criticized him

2055
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,040
for saying look you weren't really the

2056
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,199
fox mulder of the uk you were a junior

2057
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,199
desk officer and they sloughed the ufo

2058
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,640
thing off to you maybe there's some

2059
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,480
truth in that maybe between what nick

2060
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,080
says he did and what those critics of

2061
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,840
his says he did there's the middle

2062
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,280
ground of what he really did but the

2063
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,280
truth is even his critics don't deny

2064
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,440
that he was involved at the ufo desk

2065
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,600
whatever that was so he comes from a

2066
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,679
place of knowledge and experience that

2067
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,520
you should respect it doesn't mean you

2068
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,360
have to agree with them and just because

2069
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,040
he worked for the government that he's

2070
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,120
still doing it so the reason why people

2071
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:19,280
say that stuff about nick usually i find

2072
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,560
is because they don't agree with what

2073
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,719
he's saying whereas with stan you could

2074
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,800
take that same person and stan would be

2075
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:27,120
saying something very pro-et or whatever

2076
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,400
and they would agree with them even

2077
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,880
though stan worked under security just

2078
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,960
like nick did in some cases i think stan

2079
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,400
probably worked under higher security

2080
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,159
than nick ever did more to come with

2081
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:38,400
paul kimball gene steinberg chris

2082
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:48,900
[Music]

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01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:49,990
[Applause]

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whether you believe these people to be a

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tool or not you could say the same thing

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01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,920
about one of the original purveyors of

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the theory of a silence group in

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military secrecy that being major donald

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01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,800
kehoe because he was a major with the us

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01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,360
marine corps sure he had been retired

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01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:34,880
for many years before he got into the

2201
01:21:40,630 --> 01:21:37,600
ufo bandwagon he was also a fiction

2202
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,640
writer he wrote pulp fiction in the 40s

2203
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,320
so maybe we should have thought that

2204
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,480
major kehoe was just writing fiction

2205
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:46,800
presented his fact with his ufo theories

2206
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,640
of course that was not true i've been

2207
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,960
accused of it i mean i see this from

2208
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,880
time to time online because i don't buy

2209
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:53,920
into the

2210
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,080
the ets are coming down and mutilating

2211
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,000
cattle uh that i must be a

2212
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,560
disinformation agent and i'm i'm some

2213
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:02,960
sort of uh cut out who's there to you

2214
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,520
know take people away from the direction

2215
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,840
that it's that they want to believe uh

2216
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,239
you know the the rationale for their

2217
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,560
belief that aliens are coming down and

2218
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,800
gathering cattle parts which i i think

2219
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,679
is the least likely the scenario i know

2220
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,840
paul and i have talked about this where

2221
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,560
where paul's very very skeptical about

2222
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:24,800
about the reality of the majority i

2223
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,679
think of mutilation cases based on the

2224
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,600
canadian study the ronald report and

2225
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,600
some other very very skeptical sort of

2226
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,920
white washes in my my view

2227
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:35,760
especially the rommel report white

2228
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,719
washes of of the uh of these so-called

2229
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,840
mystery

2230
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,320
but after doing quite a bit of research

2231
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,000
you know kind of

2232
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:45,679
going through that process that we were

2233
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,719
talking about earlier uh and amassing

2234
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,040
quite a bit of i think very very good

2235
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,120
information um i've come to the

2236
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,800
conclusion that we are not dealing with

2237
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:56,239
something that's off planet that we're

2238
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:58,000
dealing with something that's much more

2239
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,159
closer to home and the very fact that i

2240
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,400
say that and disagree with the popular

2241
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,080
prevailing view

2242
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,880
makes me the bad guy and so people from

2243
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,800
time to time i see people just land

2244
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,080
blasting me

2245
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,880
about how oh you know you're obviously a

2246
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,040
disinformation agent uh you know put up

2247
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,080
to it by by some agency or oh you're

2248
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,239
just you're you're just a disinformation

2249
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,600
agent all this and it's it's like wow

2250
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,800
you're damned if you do and you're

2251
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:27,120
damned if you don't it's just it does

2252
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,400
you can't win

2253
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,880
so i don't i don't really uh buy into it

2254
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,960
i don't really care

2255
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,480
and i think paul's like this too and

2256
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,800
greg and nick for that matter

2257
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,199
nick redfern especially

2258
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,600
we don't care really what people think

2259
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,159
uh if we have enough

2260
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,520
time and inclination and motivation to

2261
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:49,280
really research

2262
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,800
and investigate

2263
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:53,280
a particular subject and look at both

2264
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,800
sides of the equation

2265
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:56,639
dispassionately and as objectively as

2266
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,880
possible when we come to a conclusion

2267
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,400
we'll stand by and we don't care what

2268
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,080
anybody else thinks they haven't done

2269
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,880
the work so you know again we're kind of

2270
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,239
going around and around here a little

2271
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,639
bit but i think by and large the bottom

2272
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:10,960
line for all this is is we need people

2273
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:13,760
to be informed and the only way to get

2274
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,159
informed is to get off your ass and

2275
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:19,199
start digging into this information

2276
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,239
select your sources wisely and become

2277
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,719
informed and do the work you know i've

2278
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:26,960
got a huge library of books that that

2279
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,719
are both pro and skeptical on all sorts

2280
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:32,480
of subjects that range

2281
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,840
from religious miracles conspiracy

2282
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,400
all sorts of paranormal subjects

2283
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:39,760
politics

2284
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:42,400
sociology history i mean i've got a huge

2285
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:45,199
library and uh you know they're not

2286
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,719
there for show

2287
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:48,239
most of the books i've read more than

2288
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:49,199
once

2289
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,480
you know i think it's really important

2290
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:52,800
for people to to to do the work

2291
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,800
uh you know everybody has you know

2292
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:56,719
opinions are like rear ends everybody's

2293
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,159
got one but uh you know i i think an

2294
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,920
informed opinion is

2295
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,080
is uh worth a lot more

2296
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,480
well sure you mentioned cattle or like

2297
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:09,440
animal mutilations you and i disagree on

2298
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,480
what that

2299
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,840
means or what the answer is but i

2300
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,400
respect your opinion even if i disagree

2301
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,080
with it in the same way i respect stan

2302
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,159
friedman's opinion when i disagree with

2303
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,880
it because at least you guys have done

2304
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,400
your own research

2305
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:26,960
and so maybe you draw a different

2306
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,920
conclusion than i do that's fine because

2307
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,679
you can't expect everybody to agree with

2308
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,360
you so people who do that kind of thing

2309
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,960
are gonna sometimes draw different

2310
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,800
conclusions that's fine

2311
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,600
the way i always prac did the filmmaking

2312
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:41,040
when we were doing fields of fear which

2313
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,639
was the film we did about canadian

2314
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,719
cattle mutilations and fern belzil who

2315
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,360
was an investigator out in alberta a

2316
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,800
very nice man

2317
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,760
and

2318
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:52,320
i built into that a trip to puerto rico

2319
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,840
where we were going to go down and we

2320
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:55,520
did go down to look in the chupacabra

2321
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,560
mystery

2322
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,639
and we took nick redfern with us he was

2323
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:00,880
our sort of chupacabra expert and we got

2324
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,480
another guy orlando pla from puerto rico

2325
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,800
who was the local expert a civil

2326
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:08,239
engineer i think but he had an interest

2327
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:10,239
in the chupacabra phenomenon

2328
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,440
and so i said well look if i'm going to

2329
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:13,040
go down and look at this

2330
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,719
i have to look at all of it so great

2331
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,400
we'll interview orlando who is sort of

2332
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,679
skeptical

2333
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,679
we'll interview and i can't remember all

2334
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,239
their names now but one of them in a

2335
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:24,480
city called mayaguez was the lead police

2336
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,520
officer i think he was a police

2337
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,360
lieutenant who had investigated cattle

2338
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,719
mutilations for the puerto rican

2339
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,639
government and he was very skeptical he

2340
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,719
said wild dogs and everything fine so we

2341
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:34,800
interviewed him we went and interviewed

2342
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:36,239
a biologist at one of the local

2343
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,159
universities who had looked into it very

2344
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,320
skeptical as well we interviewed him and

2345
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,400
then we went out into the field and we

2346
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:44,880
interviewed eyewitnesses and in some

2347
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,679
places in very isolated rural locations

2348
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,520
in fact my brother was driving the van

2349
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,960
that we were all in and he almost backed

2350
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,639
it up off a cliff because he didn't

2351
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,560
realize the cliff was there it was

2352
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,960
jungle and there was a cliff and the

2353
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,960
guys in the back of the van was

2354
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,639
and they could see the cliff because

2355
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,639
they were looking down so

2356
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,320
that's one of those memories i sort of

2357
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:06,000
still cling to whenever my brother says

2358
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,360
i don't get him enough for christmas or

2359
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,600
something i go you know but that idea

2360
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:11,840
that you have to interview and so i

2361
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,239
wanted to talk to representatives if you

2362
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,239
will from all sides

2363
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,199
and then i drew my own conclusions about

2364
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,280
chupacabras which tend to favor the

2365
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:23,920
skeptical answers but that's me

2366
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,320
but i put all that information in the

2367
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,560
film which was rejected by the network

2368
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,000
because they said you just need to focus

2369
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:32,560
on fern belzel i would find so i later

2370
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,360
cut

2371
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,960
online only it's on the internet

2372
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,960
somewhere the island of blood

2373
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:39,360
i called it and that contained a lot of

2374
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:42,000
the puerto rican stuff but the idea was

2375
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,880
look

2376
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,800
my opinion doesn't really matter does it

2377
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,880
i sort of have a perspective as a

2378
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:48,719
filmmaker but i've given everybody more

2379
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,360
or less equal time so out of that now if

2380
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,840
we all watch the same film we can all

2381
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,920
come to different conclusions so i know

2382
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,000
a lot of people watching for instance

2383
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:00,080
best evidence or any of the films i made

2384
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,600
will come out with different conclusions

2385
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,719
that i have

2386
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,480
i would also say that a one hour long

2387
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,960
film is is not the end it is merely

2388
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,080
designed to

2389
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,840
kind of inspire you to go out and do

2390
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,440
more research and to look into this if

2391
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,360
it interests you even more because you

2392
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:15,199
can't cover everything in an hour

2393
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,960
that's the way you have to look at it as

2394
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,639
you say chris you have to look at both

2395
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,639
sides so you can read the rommel report

2396
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,480
and i can read the roman report and we

2397
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,480
can both find different things in it or

2398
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,400
come to different conclusions but it's

2399
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,400
like the 9 11 commission report at least

2400
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,239
we both read it so we're talking from

2401
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,639
the same starting point if you hadn't

2402
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:34,320
read it or if i hadn't read it and we

2403
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,600
were saying something that the other one

2404
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,120
disagreed with well then that's not

2405
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:38,719
really a conversation

2406
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,520
no it's not and when i go into my

2407
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,520
particular investigative process

2408
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:45,920
i've armed myself with 13 suggested

2409
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:48,800
rules of investigation that i kind of

2410
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:52,239
documented discovering as i as i became

2411
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,000
a field investigator and i i did that on

2412
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:58,480
purpose because i wanted my readers and

2413
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,400
anyone who followed my work to hold me

2414
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:02,159
to those 13 suggested rules of

2415
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,440
investigation

2416
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:05,679
and i believe the sixth one

2417
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,719
was kind of the hardest one i think it

2418
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,560
should have been earlier but the fact

2419
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,159
that it was number six

2420
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,120
um i think it's still the most important

2421
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:16,719
rule and that is

2422
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,120
always assume a mundane explanation

2423
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and then allow the facts to prove prove

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that wrong

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i'd like to do in our next segment we

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have to break in a moment i'd like to do

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our next segment because we're kind of

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okay guys paul chris gene

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into cattle mutilations and we see that

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chris o'brien and paul kimball are

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coming from different sides of the

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argument paul would you define your

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chris follow up

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i could i have to say

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the animal mutilation thing is not

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something that is particularly

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i don't want this to sound as pejorative

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as it's probably going to sound

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interesting to me i don't mean that to

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say in a bad it's just not a focus i i

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did it like what eight nine years ago

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when i did fields of fear and it kind of

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it sort of stopped there for me the

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conclusion i drew then has not been

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changed since which is i believe that

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the vast majority the overwhelming

2583
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majority predators scavengers and you

2584
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know i can reference there's a canadian

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veterinary journal report that i had

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never seen reference before but which i

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went out and found that was done on

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fairly extensive research by

2589
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veterinarians from the university of

2590
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alberta and i think the university of

2591
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wyoming so it was a cross-border thing

2592
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and they came to the same conclusion

2593
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you can agree or disagree with the roman

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report but i talked to a number of uh

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veterinarians and biologists and and

2596
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they all said the same thing so i accept

2597
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what they told me because i'm not one of

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them i'm not an expert but you know what

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i've never

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gone out in the field

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and done it myself so i have fernhead

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for instance uh the subject of the film

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that we were doing so i i i didn't just

2604
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dismiss it casually and i suppose i

2605
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leave a small amount of room the one

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area i suppose maybe where chris and i

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could agree on

2608
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is that it's not space aliens from zeta

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reticuli i think that's chris's view and

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it's certainly my view and i suppose i

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leave a little room open over in the

2612
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corner of my skepticism

2613
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for the possibility that some very small

2614
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number of cases might be

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outside the norms of scavenging and

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predation that might have something to

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do with testing the cattle population

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for

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diseases that might have an impact on

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the food chain and eventually might have

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an impact on humans because we consume

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them and that that might be something

2623
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that's being run by the government and

2624
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of course the government would never

2625
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want to admit that there might be a

2626
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bigger problem than we already know that

2627
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there has been canadians in particular

2628
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would be well aware of the impact that

2629
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it had on our cattle industry when just

2630
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a few cases were found in alberta some

2631
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years ago and it basically shut down the

2632
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canadian cattle industry for not

2633
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,400
insignificant period of time i'm not

2634
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,560
even sure it's completely recovered yet

2635
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:00,560
so you know i leave a corner in my

2636
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:03,199
skepticism for the possibility that that

2637
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:04,639
might be happening

2638
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,400
that's kind of where i approach it from

2639
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,800
the vast majority i think are

2640
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scavengers and predators but i i would

2641
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leave a little corner open over there

2642
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,800
that that might be possible and i can

2643
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actually understand why the government

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would do that if that's the case

2645
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,560
chris i agree

2646
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,960
i think the media once it gets a hold of

2647
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a wave of reports generally the

2648
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beginning uh

2649
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cases of a flap

2650
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tend to be the legitimate ones

2651
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then you have cases that appear to be

2652
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almost red herring cases to kind of keep

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law enforcement brand inspectors

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livestock

2655
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board

2656
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investigators running around chasing

2657
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:45,840
their tails these cases seem to be red

2658
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:47,280
herring cases

2659
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,199
depending on how the media reacts to

2660
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:52,480
these cases

2661
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:54,080
whether it goes from just local news

2662
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:57,119
stories to regional to statewide or

2663
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:00,560
province-wide uh media outlets that's

2664
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:03,199
when the uh scavenger

2665
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,119
the mundane cases tend to be reported

2666
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:08,000
and they every dead cow that people see

2667
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,119
becomes a

2668
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:11,600
the latest mutilation you know the the

2669
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,639
kind of the fears ratcheted up um people

2670
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,560
with uninformed uh

2671
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untrained eyes or seen something that

2672
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,239
they you know it's like windshield

2673
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pitting uh in washington state the uh

2674
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the james l stewart uh study on on a

2675
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,480
mass collective delusion there is a lot

2676
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,560
of that going on and i do agree with

2677
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
paul that uh once

2678
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,320
people start looking they hear that

2679
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,400
there's cattle relations uh supposedly

2680
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,119
going on uh then they're they're more

2681
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:42,239
apt to notice a down cow they don't know

2682
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:43,520
what they're looking at when they see a

2683
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cow uh that's been scavenged uh by birds

2684
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:48,159
insects

2685
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,119
and uh then you have the whole sort of

2686
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echo chamber that then starts ratcheting

2687
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,840
up the uh you know the the rhetoric

2688
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:57,679
about it and you know the news stories

2689
01:40:02,390 --> 01:39:59,920
and everything i absolutely agree

2690
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,400
however there is a true mystery at the

2691
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,280
heart of this and i do

2692
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:08,639
agree with paul that the most likely

2693
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,159
source i do think there's something

2694
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:13,040
paranormal really that's extremely rare

2695
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,480
but it does occur i think there is

2696
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,639
something paranormal at the heart of it

2697
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,199
that may somehow be

2698
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,679
somehow related to

2699
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:23,840
response from some sort of governmental

2700
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:26,480
group that's monitoring these things

2701
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:27,520
i think it's something that's been

2702
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:28,480
occurring

2703
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,639
since ancient times

2704
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:32,880
i think there's enough evidence

2705
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,840
to suggest uh prior to any sort of

2706
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,679
monitoring for mad cow disease or

2707
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,000
outbreaks of of hoof and mouth disease

2708
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,920
and these types of things i think back

2709
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:44,000
in the 1600s when hundreds of sheep were

2710
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,119
being found strangely uh mutilated uh in

2711
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,960
their inner parts taken during the reign

2712
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:51,360
of james the first for instance or the

2713
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:54,320
the the wave of cases in ireland um that

2714
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:56,080
were blamed on wolves

2715
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,880
uh that hadn't really existed there for

2716
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,480
over a hundred years

2717
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,719
there's enough historical evidence to

2718
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,480
suggest that there may be something

2719
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,119
truly high strange and and potentially

2720
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:09,119
paranormal at the heart of this i think

2721
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,119
in the modern era uh you know post 67

2722
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,600
when prion disease escaped

2723
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,440
from biophysical laboratories out into

2724
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,950
oops

2725
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,440
then i do think that we do have a

2726
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:25,840
a real concern by the part of the

2727
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,440
largest income producing sector of

2728
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,960
agriculture

2729
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,560
in one of the most powerful lobbies in

2730
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:32,320
this country that you'll never hear

2731
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:35,280
about a very powerful lobby up in canada

2732
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:38,639
um the beef industry that you do have

2733
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,560
you know a real fear of prion disease

2734
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:44,400
breaking out in the food chain and since

2735
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,840
the only way to detect it is through a

2736
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,400
postmortem test obviously this is very

2737
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,080
very troublesome

2738
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:52,080
you can't just test cows and people say

2739
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:53,679
why don't they get their own damn cows

2740
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:54,960
and get you know put them out in their

2741
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,760
own pastures and they do

2742
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,840
but if you're testing for something

2743
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:01,440
that's occurring in the environment you

2744
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,159
have to uh you have to sample a you know

2745
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,639
a large amount of rangeland um and you

2746
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,440
can't have your own cattle in in

2747
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,920
in stuff in in your own rangeland i

2748
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:13,600
think there's other things going on here

2749
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:16,400
too as well paul and um yeah you might

2750
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,920
just consider this

2751
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,600
there's a good

2752
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,280
there's some pretty interesting evidence

2753
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,960
to suggest that the the cattle

2754
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,480
mutilation

2755
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,320
meme if you will

2756
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,320
um at from time to time has been

2757
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,360
utilized by large ranching concerns

2758
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,840
to uh terrorize smaller ranchers and

2759
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,440
drive them out of business

2760
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:37,600
force them to sell their their um their

2761
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,480
land

2762
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,159
um

2763
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,880
75 to 80 percent of cattle operations

2764
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:44,400
that were

2765
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,360
thriving in the mid 70s when the average

2766
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,880
north american was eating over 100

2767
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,480
pounds of beef a year that was the

2768
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,320
height of beef consumption and the

2769
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:54,080
height of the numbers of cattle in north

2770
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:55,280
america

2771
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,800
at the height of the cattle mutilation

2772
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:58,800
wave you you'll have the height of

2773
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,119
of beef consumption and and the numbers

2774
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:04,000
of of cattle in in north america and at

2775
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:05,520
that that was the point when you started

2776
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,480
to see

2777
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,560
uh the beginning of real consolidation

2778
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,639
of of cattle raising

2779
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:13,119
and beef concerns and i do have some

2780
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,320
very good evidence that

2781
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,960
at least one rancher was

2782
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:21,520
using the mutilation

2783
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,000
operation if you will to attempt to

2784
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,880
drive out ranchers and terrorize them

2785
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:29,119
the ranching community is some of the

2786
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:30,960
most reactionary in right-wing and

2787
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:34,159
militia-prone communities in at least in

2788
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:35,360
this country

2789
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:38,480
and i think that using the mutilation

2790
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:39,600
um

2791
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,239
scenario as a potential form of

2792
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,679
intimidation

2793
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,880
of uh

2794
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,560
you know is

2795
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,639
it's funny how prion disease was spread

2796
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:50,719
in some of the most uh

2797
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:53,920
militia and uh right-wing

2798
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:56,560
counties let's say in in in the midwest

2799
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,639
for instance areas of high incidents

2800
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,000
tend to be where there's

2801
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,960
there's uh pretty radical right-wing

2802
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,960
militia groups and uh

2803
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:07,040
and to allow the prime disease to get

2804
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,639
out in the deer and elk

2805
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:10,480
might be a way to

2806
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:13,440
cull the population of reaction areas

2807
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:16,560
it's very complicated and um unless you

2808
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:17,760
do the work

2809
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,159
unless you really get out there and and

2810
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,560
one of my best my best skeptic was the

2811
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:23,920
head of the new york state veterinary

2812
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,840
college dr john king

2813
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,000
and i'll tell you this guy he said i

2814
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:30,480
want you to prove me wrong

2815
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,960
and i sent him sample after sample and

2816
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,400
he would tell me well

2817
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,480
it's probably this or it's probably that

2818
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,920
oh it's definitely this it's definitely

2819
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,920
that but there were samples he said this

2820
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:42,159
was cut without a sharp implement

2821
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,719
so um all this information is in my book

2822
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:47,119
that's why it's half a million words and

2823
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:49,840
600 pages um it's a very very

2824
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,800
complicated subject and and like getting

2825
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:54,880
back to the topic of our conversation

2826
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:57,280
unless you get out there do the work

2827
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,639
um you know

2828
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:01,520
i'm up somewhere around 200 cases

2829
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:03,920
that i personally investigated and

2830
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,119
researched thousands of others

2831
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:09,280
collated together 12 different databases

2832
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:10,080
from

2833
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,280
some of the

2834
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,119
i think the better

2835
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:15,280
investigators i didn't include fern's

2836
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:16,480
work although

2837
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:18,639
i do know i haven't talked to him in

2838
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,520
years

2839
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,679
it's a lot more complicated than than

2840
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,040
one would expect

2841
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:25,119
we got more to come on a lot of things

2842
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:26,960
in the world of paranormal with paul

2843
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:29,760
kimball gene steinberg and chris o'brien

2844
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:43,030
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2846
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2848
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2849
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2850
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2851
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,360
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2852
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:01,920
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

2853
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:04,320
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2854
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,360
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2855
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2856
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:09,520
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2857
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,239
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2858
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2859
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2864
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2865
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2866
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2896
01:48:03,270 --> 01:47:59,679
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2897
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:03,280
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2898
01:48:07,860 --> 01:48:04,560
and now

2899
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:07,870
here's jane steinberg

2900
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:15,350
you know all this raises the problem

2901
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,159
in getting all this across to people and

2902
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:20,960
it's about the fact that they want

2903
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,600
a fast talking point about ufos it's

2904
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:26,000
easy to say okay they're spaceships the

2905
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,960
government is keeping the truth a secret

2906
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:31,040
that's the talking point but as soon as

2907
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:32,560
you get to the complexities well it's

2908
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:34,480
this that and the other thing and don't

2909
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,520
forget this aspect or that aspect

2910
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:40,239
you lose people which is very sad

2911
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:41,760
well it's you know going back to the

2912
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:44,560
cattle mutilation thing for a second

2913
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:45,360
my

2914
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,679
real interest in animal mutilations

2915
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,000
began and stopped with the alien thing

2916
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,840
because that's what i was looking into

2917
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:54,000
fern very much believed by the way that

2918
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,600
aliens were doing it that it was an

2919
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,199
alien thing and there were other things

2920
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,800
of all but he was in that so that was

2921
01:49:05,030 --> 01:48:59,679
the

2922
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,040
or not and that goes back to linda

2923
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:07,040
molten howe and stuff and you know one

2924
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,400
of the best interviews i ever did with

2925
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,480
kevin randle over the years was when he

2926
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:12,000
talked about cattle mutilations because

2927
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:13,600
he had investigated

2928
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,280
animal mutes for apro back in the 1970s

2929
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,280
and he came to the conclusion that it

2930
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:21,440
was overwhelmingly scavengers predation

2931
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,040
there were no there was no alien

2932
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:25,440
involvement now he he probably leaves

2933
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,800
some room for terrestrial non-scavenger

2934
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,639
predation kind of answers that might

2935
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:32,159
involve conspiracies because there are

2936
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,600
real conspiracies so if i wanted to hide

2937
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,880
you know the possibility that there's

2938
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:38,480
mad cow disease out there or that it

2939
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,920
might be more prevalent than we think it

2940
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,760
is or that we're doing research into it

2941
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:43,199
then sure you would create a cover for

2942
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,880
it something that could be easily

2943
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:47,520
dismissed like space aliens mutilating

2944
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:50,080
cows and we know that this has been done

2945
01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:52,000
because the united states government i

2946
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,600
assume other governments have done it

2947
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,400
with the ufo phenomenon to cover up

2948
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,800
testing of secret airplanes and stuff so

2949
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,800
they would encourage the ufo stories

2950
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,719
because if somebody saw something that

2951
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:04,719
was five or ten years ahead of whatever

2952
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,560
we thought we had flying around in the

2953
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,400
skies well sure call it a ufo because

2954
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:10,400
then folks won't ask too many questions

2955
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,400
about maybe what that really is

2956
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:14,159
karl flock told me something interesting

2957
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,040
once

2958
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,199
we were kind of talking about this and

2959
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:19,920
when it came to technology carl's sort

2960
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,480
of line was whatever you think we have

2961
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:23,520
today

2962
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,360
is anywhere between five and fifteen

2963
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,360
years behind what the military

2964
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,000
industrial complex has already developed

2965
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,159
and is working on so civilian

2966
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,639
applications are lagging behind what the

2967
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:36,800
military is doing and he said eventually

2968
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,159
most of that stuff winds up in the

2969
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,880
civilian realm once it's it's no longer

2970
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,159
cutting edge

2971
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:44,080
and you know i took everything carl said

2972
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:45,440
pretty seriously because he had worked

2973
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,119
in the intelligence community and in the

2974
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,600
defense department at a senior level

2975
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,800
and so

2976
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,639
yeah the government uses these things

2977
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,119
and has used these things for years to

2978
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,639
cover up other things that they don't

2979
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:58,639
want us to know about and it comes back

2980
01:51:03,590 --> 01:51:02,159
to something about your president zeus

2981
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,600
that i read

2982
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,119
the other day when the whole hamilton

2983
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,280
brouhaha was coming up and everybody

2984
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,040
including most of my facebook friends

2985
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:11,040
were posting this is either terrible the

2986
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,040
vast majority of them like go away

2987
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:15,199
donald trump um stop criticizing

2988
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:17,040
hamilton the cast blah blah or there

2989
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:18,080
were a few people who are saying well

2990
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,280
trump's right and these people shouldn't

2991
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,440
have said what they said doesn't matter

2992
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:23,920
this person who uh was either the new

2993
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,080
york times or the new yorker i think who

2994
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:27,840
said look you're missing the point this

2995
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:30,159
is a distraction now did trump send

2996
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:31,760
pence there on purpose thinking that

2997
01:51:35,590 --> 01:51:33,280
maybe this would happen to distract from

2998
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,600
something else who knows but when these

2999
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,000
things pop up sometimes organically

3000
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,159
smart politicians will take advantage of

3001
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,400
them well what else was going on at that

3002
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:44,800
very same time trump settled

3003
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,080
his trump university court case for 25

3004
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,000
million dollars should have been a huge

3005
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:53,199
story like massive in fact

3006
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,080
to me

3007
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,000
a story that potentially disqualifies

3008
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,320
you from holding the president he made

3009
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:01,440
150 million on the deal right exactly

3010
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:02,480
good business

3011
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,880
bad ethics and morals we gotta keep away

3012
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,639
from the politics but the misdirection

3013
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:08,639
we should get into right well i'm

3014
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:11,360
circling back to that so you see this

3015
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,599
throughout everything and i think you're

3016
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,119
about to head into four years of seeing

3017
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,280
it all the time but he's not the only

3018
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,520
politician that has done this tony blair

3019
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:21,520
was infamous for saying look drop bad

3020
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,239
news on a friday because nobody's paying

3021
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,920
attention on a friday afternoon to what

3022
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:27,199
the news is so it's all about

3023
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,480
misdirection

3024
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,400
but the ufo phenomenon every you know

3025
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,920
people have done that and the cattle

3026
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:33,840
mutilation thing i have no doubt that

3027
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:36,159
there's some element of that uh going on

3028
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:38,000
as well there i think that's the part

3029
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:39,679
that's always interested greg bishop

3030
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,560
right more than anything else is the

3031
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,719
kind of games that the intelligence

3032
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,239
agencies in particular are playing with

3033
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:47,920
people and so greg and i have a

3034
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:50,560
difference of opinion on bill moore greg

3035
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,320
sees him in one light i see him in a

3036
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:54,159
much different light but there's no

3037
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,760
question that bill moore was involved in

3038
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,199
some way shape or form with some very

3039
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,520
hinky jinky stuff with the intelligence

3040
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,679
agencies so were they using him was he

3041
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:03,360
using them or were they both using each

3042
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,159
other

3043
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,320
maybe a little bit of all of those

3044
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,320
things but that's that's a fascinating

3045
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:10,080
part of the ufo story that so many

3046
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,159
people now kind of forget and they do it

3047
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,760
in politics they do it everywhere else

3048
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:15,760
because they're so obsessed with the

3049
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:18,560
distraction they're so easily distracted

3050
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:20,800
that they don't really kind of say hey

3051
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:23,040
it's like a card game or a magic if you

3052
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,880
ever go to the magic castle and you're a

3053
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,880
friend of his as paul david's ever taken

3054
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:29,760
you to the magic castle in l.a chris no

3055
01:53:34,629 --> 01:53:31,760
i've actually never spent time with paul

3056
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:34,639
in california he was my landlord i know

3057
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,159
half years i heard that in one of your

3058
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:38,000
old interviews you should go to la and

3059
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:39,599
ask him to take you to the magic castle

3060
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,599
because he's a member and so you go in

3061
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,360
and there's all the best parts are the

3062
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,040
re the card tricks because they're in

3063
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,800
much smaller rooms and you can really

3064
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,400
get right down almost right across from

3065
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,560
the guys doing the tricks he's taken me

3066
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:52,320
there more than once and i swear i have

3067
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,679
never been able to figure out how those

3068
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,360
guys are doing it because they're

3069
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:57,360
masters and they will tell you we're not

3070
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,639
going to tell you how you did it but we

3071
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,320
distracted you and i don't even know

3072
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,639
what the distraction was but that's how

3073
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,480
they get the trick done and so this

3074
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,159
that's true in politics and government

3075
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:08,159
but it's also true very much true i

3076
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,360
think in the ufo phenomenon and in the

3077
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:13,040
cattle mutilation phenomenon and any of

3078
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:14,159
these things that we think of as

3079
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:16,639
paranormal you know having been gone out

3080
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,800
and done ghost investigating too it's

3081
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,719
the kind and going out again next year

3082
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:22,400
because we've just got a new television

3083
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:24,320
series that starts

3084
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:26,080
filming thank you holly and i are back

3085
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:27,840
on the beat we start filming right which

3086
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,400
i love the footage of the the orb

3087
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,480
or whatever you want to call it orbs are

3088
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:34,480
interesting i mean i don't buy orbs well

3089
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:36,080
the particular one in your film it's

3090
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,840
it's not your classic you know digital

3091
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,360
artifact i mean

3092
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:41,199
it's the story and i'll post i think the

3093
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,800
clip is online so i'll post this on the

3094
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:44,639
your paracast forums just so folks can

3095
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,800
see rather than me describe it now which

3096
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:48,320
would take five minutes but it's the

3097
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:51,760
context of how that particular case came

3098
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:53,840
about but it's easy even when you're out

3099
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:56,080
investigating ghosts or stories it goes

3100
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,520
or whatever to get distracted when

3101
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,440
you're out there doing it and for holly

3102
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:01,199
and i it's always a very personal thing

3103
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:03,119
yeah we have the tech and everything but

3104
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,880
for us it was about can we experience

3105
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:06,960
something can we interact with something

3106
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,520
and it's it was a year that changed my

3107
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,119
thinking on a whole bunch of things

3108
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,679
because i did have experiences but you

3109
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:15,840
you've got to be focused and it's so

3110
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,360
easy when you're sitting there or you're

3111
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:18,960
doing something to get distracted by

3112
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,280
something else and it really you know as

3113
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:23,040
we went along with the series holly and

3114
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,520
i became much more focused and so

3115
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:27,679
methodology is really important

3116
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:30,639
methodology is is absolutely crucial for

3117
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,960
all these types of investigative

3118
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:33,920
pursuits

3119
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:35,679
yeah well and just keeping your mind

3120
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,239
sharp like you're always on like when

3121
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:40,239
you're out there no you can take a break

3122
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,679
let's go have a coffee let's have a tea

3123
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:43,119
or whatever but when you go back out

3124
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,040
there you're on and it's almost like

3125
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:46,719
being a musician because you and i were

3126
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:48,639
both musicians chris if you're playing

3127
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:51,440
live every song matters every moment of

3128
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,599
every song matters you can't you

3129
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:54,880
shouldn't at least if you're a

3130
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:56,960
professional take a moment off same

3131
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:58,639
thing with directing a film well the

3132
01:56:01,589 --> 01:56:00,159
same thing is true with researching if

3133
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,599
you're out there in the field or if

3134
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,360
you're in an archive or wherever you are

3135
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,199
you've got to focus and that's what

3136
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,920
you're there for then when you're done

3137
01:56:11,189 --> 01:56:09,520
we'll go home and watch television or

3138
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,199
whatever and unfortunately i think in

3139
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:13,440
our modern society so many people

3140
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,400
conflate the two so that the focus has

3141
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:18,639
has dissipated and that's where you run

3142
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,760
into the trouble of what we were

3143
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,520
originally talking about fake news

3144
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:23,599
versus real news fake reality versus

3145
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:26,239
real reality which is just reality and

3146
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,760
then there's the possibility of course

3147
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,920
which is why i love talking to greg

3148
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,440
who i interviewed yesterday for the

3149
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:33,440
other side of truth um

3150
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:34,880
you know we always come back to talking

3151
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:37,199
about whether reality is reality our

3152
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:39,599
perceptions the idea of co-creation the

3153
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,360
idea of interacting with advanced

3154
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,520
non-human intelligences all of that

3155
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:45,599
stuff is the really cool mind-bending

3156
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:47,520
stuff that i love now so here we are

3157
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:49,199
this is not a criticism of either of you

3158
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:51,440
two guys or even me it's self-criticism

3159
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,520
i guess of myself we spent an hour an

3160
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:55,360
hour and a half talking about you know

3161
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:56,880
all of these very

3162
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,599
not depressing but kind of blah they're

3163
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:01,760
just no fun it's dark and very serious

3164
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,440
and these people are bad blah blah blah

3165
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:05,280
i would it's not what interests me

3166
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:07,360
anymore even though i just did it what

3167
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:09,199
really interests me is the g whiz

3168
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:11,840
conversation so i often tell folks now i

3169
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:13,679
say look if you're not having fun when

3170
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,960
you're doing this you're not doing it

3171
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:16,719
right if your mind isn't at least a

3172
01:57:21,189 --> 01:57:18,480
little blown by the possibility of life

3173
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:21,199
after death or aliens on other planets

3174
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:22,639
or or whatever

3175
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,480
then you're you're in the wrong business

3176
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:26,000
or you're in the wrong you should go do

3177
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,520
something else because this should be

3178
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fun this should be exciting this should

3179
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be mind-blowing and thought-provoking

3180
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and if it isn't all of those things then

3181
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you shouldn't be doing it because you're

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3242
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3244
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3250
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3262
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[Music]

3281
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:12,560
this is a sort of discussion that may

3282
02:02:16,149 --> 02:02:14,480
continue into after the power cast

3283
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:16,159
because we'll never get it done talk

3284
02:02:21,830 --> 02:02:18,719
about the sense of wonder i think is the

3285
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:21,840
thing that attracted me to ufos oh my

3286
02:02:26,070 --> 02:02:24,320
heavens maybe we are being visited by

3287
02:02:27,910 --> 02:02:26,080
e.t and there's something going on here

3288
02:02:29,430 --> 02:02:27,920
and we need to understand it and then

3289
02:02:32,149 --> 02:02:29,440
you get in the weeds and you have all

3290
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:32,159
these side issues like men in black and

3291
02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:36,239
abductions and get pretty dark and dirty

3292
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:38,400
and you know i think that's another

3293
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:39,760
reason why

3294
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:40,800
people

3295
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:42,480
want to take such a simple view of it

3296
02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:44,639
okay they're spaceships we've got this

3297
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:46,639
going because as soon as you get into

3298
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:48,800
the rest of this stuff some of it can be

3299
02:02:53,430 --> 02:02:51,599
mighty mighty depressing but then that

3300
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:53,440
also raises the other question too which

3301
02:02:56,390 --> 02:02:54,159
is

3302
02:02:57,750 --> 02:02:56,400
how do you interest young people into

3303
02:02:59,910 --> 02:02:57,760
seriously

3304
02:03:02,390 --> 02:02:59,920
looking into these subjects not just

3305
02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:02,400
watching the reality show or hearing the

3306
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:03,760
occasional

3307
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:06,719
short bit on a tv news show i mean

3308
02:03:10,629 --> 02:03:08,320
really looking into it how do you

3309
02:03:13,030 --> 02:03:10,639
interest them when a hundred thousand

3310
02:03:16,390 --> 02:03:13,040
will go to comic con and see the stars

3311
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,400
of supergirl and the flash or the dc

3312
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:18,719
movies or the marvel movies

3313
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:20,560
well they are interested in it if they

3314
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:22,320
go to comic con if they're a fan of

3315
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:24,000
supergirl or the marvel movies or

3316
02:03:29,669 --> 02:03:25,679
whatever because they already have a

3317
02:03:32,229 --> 02:03:29,679
mind that is inclined to thinking about

3318
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:32,239
big things and big questions

3319
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:33,119
so

3320
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:35,040
do they have to take an interest

3321
02:03:38,709 --> 02:03:37,280
i mean in the old days like 10 or 15

3322
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,719
years ago i was an advocate for the

3323
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,560
serious scientific study of the ufo

3324
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:42,880
phenomenon blah blah blah not so much

3325
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,239
anymore now i'm just kind of cool with

3326
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:48,000
sitting down with people and i know lots

3327
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:50,560
of young people who are really jazzed

3328
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:52,880
about the idea of alien life and they

3329
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:54,719
love talking about it and space

3330
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:56,880
exploration and even the idea that maybe

3331
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:59,599
it's come here although that i think is

3332
02:04:03,910 --> 02:04:02,159
less in their focus than the idea of us

3333
02:04:05,589 --> 02:04:03,920
going out there but either or maybe

3334
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:05,599
we're somebody else's aliens maybe

3335
02:04:09,109 --> 02:04:07,280
that's the way you hey if we can be

3336
02:04:12,070 --> 02:04:09,119
somebody else's aliens maybe somebody

3337
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:12,080
else's aliens have already been ours

3338
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:13,520
but you know i think they're already

3339
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:15,599
interested in it what i don't think

3340
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:17,760
they're interested in is

3341
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:19,360
ufo conventions

3342
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:21,440
and all of the stuff

3343
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:22,239
that

3344
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:24,320
belonged to a different generation

3345
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:27,599
because that stuff is the equivalent of

3346
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:30,800
1930s jazz music to a generation that's

3347
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:33,119
listening to kanye west now if you get

3348
02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:34,639
my drift you're just speaking two

3349
02:04:38,070 --> 02:04:36,000
different languages they consume

3350
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:38,080
information differently they talk about

3351
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:40,480
things differently they shine a light on

3352
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:41,520
different areas and have different

3353
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:43,679
focuses they put it all together they

3354
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:46,159
deconstruct it and then reassemble it in

3355
02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:48,239
a different way than my generation would

3356
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:49,840
have and because gene you come from a

3357
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:51,599
generation before mine your generation

3358
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:53,520
would have i mean each generation deals

3359
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,520
with it differently so when i hear older

3360
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:57,440
guys i don't mean eugene but usually a

3361
02:05:02,550 --> 02:04:59,920
lot of ufo researchers and even some

3362
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:02,560
younger guys in their 40s say how do we

3363
02:05:06,790 --> 02:05:05,199
get youth interested well my answer is

3364
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,800
they're already interested you just

3365
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:09,119
wouldn't know about it because they do

3366
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:10,880
it in different ways than you do but if

3367
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:12,719
you ever run into one of them and sit

3368
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:15,040
down and talk to them which i suspect

3369
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:16,960
most of these older ufo researchers

3370
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:18,880
don't do you would understand that there

3371
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:21,040
are a lot of kids interested in things

3372
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:23,840
that might be called ufos or the ufo

3373
02:05:28,629 --> 02:05:26,320
phenomenon the broader idea of life

3374
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:28,639
beyond our planet or life beyond our

3375
02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:30,800
mortal coil you're not speaking the same

3376
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,480
language there you're not going to the

3377
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:34,639
same place as they are and you know what

3378
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,639
you never will you're never going to be

3379
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,400
able to get them to come to your ufo

3380
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:40,320
conference that's not how

3381
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:42,159
the mountain's not coming to muhammad

3382
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:43,920
and you're muhammad so you have to go to

3383
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:46,239
the mountain and i told stan years ago i

3384
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:47,679
said stan you've got to get a facebook

3385
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:50,400
page a website a twitter account these

3386
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,360
are the things that if you want to

3387
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,880
connect with younger people you need to

3388
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:54,560
do and he just looked at me he said well

3389
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:57,119
i have a website it never gets updated

3390
02:06:00,629 --> 02:05:58,880
but twitter and facebook no i don't

3391
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,639
really see you know it's not me and i

3392
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:03,199
went that's fine but understand that

3393
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:04,719
you're in a different world than younger

3394
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:06,800
people are well that's a lot of

3395
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:08,239
diminishing

3396
02:06:12,149 --> 02:06:10,320
returns there that the people who go to

3397
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:12,159
a traditional ufo convention i'll

3398
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,119
mention

3399
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:15,760
the international ufo congress coming

3400
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,520
again this february

3401
02:06:22,070 --> 02:06:19,440
and we like open minds and we like

3402
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:22,080
alejandra rojas but

3403
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,920
he's not getting the young people and

3404
02:06:28,470 --> 02:06:25,679
how therefore

3405
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:28,480
do we go to the young people and talk

3406
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,360
with them on their terms obviously

3407
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:33,760
facebook and twitter is one thing

3408
02:06:38,629 --> 02:06:36,480
instagram all the rest is that the way

3409
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,639
to do it sure well it's constantly

3410
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,800
evolving anybody in the media industry

3411
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:42,560
like i just said facebook and twitter

3412
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:43,840
right

3413
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:45,520
now everybody uses

3414
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:47,679
no it's pinterest and snapchat

3415
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:50,159
yep you can't keep up so all you can do

3416
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:51,760
is try and have the information out

3417
02:06:55,350 --> 02:06:53,920
there and frankly sort of assume that

3418
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:55,360
that there's probably the same number of

3419
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:58,000
people i suspect even more now interest

3420
02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:59,840
in it in their own way than there was in

3421
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:01,920
years past because the information's all

3422
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:03,679
out there it's much easier for them to

3423
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:05,760
access it for good and ill

3424
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:08,000
and i i actually have a reasonable

3425
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,840
amount of confidence in the ability of

3426
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:11,280
most young people because i work with a

3427
02:07:15,669 --> 02:07:13,679
lot of young people i like hiring young

3428
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,679
people for my film crews for instance

3429
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,199
because they're the ones with the energy

3430
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,000
and new ideas and maybe aren't as

3431
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:22,639
confined by the old way of doing things

3432
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:24,320
and i'm one of those guys who always

3433
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:26,079
wants to try doing things in different

3434
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:28,560
ways so that means i'm constantly

3435
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:31,119
renewing my crew and constantly trying

3436
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,520
to work with younger people so i'm not

3437
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,760
saying i have a great insight into how

3438
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,880
they think but i think i might have a

3439
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,400
better insight into how they think than

3440
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,800
most people my age you just kind of have

3441
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:43,040
to say look you go do it your way we'll

3442
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:45,119
do it our way film festivals are the

3443
02:07:48,629 --> 02:07:47,119
same way we started this conversation

3444
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:48,639
gene you asked me about or chris

3445
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:50,239
mentioned the arrival and we got off on

3446
02:07:54,390 --> 02:07:52,079
the film thing for a bit

3447
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:54,400
older people go to theaters younger

3448
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:56,719
people generally more and more consuming

3449
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:59,199
films on their tablets not even on their

3450
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:00,960
computers there are televisions on

3451
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,760
tablets that is foreign to me the idea

3452
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:05,920
of watching a feature film on an 8 by 11

3453
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:08,480
or whatever the size of a tablet is no

3454
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:10,400
having said that i do watch netflix on a

3455
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,239
tablet so even eyes have started

3456
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:14,239
consuming in different ways but that's

3457
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,520
the same thing is true of ufo

3458
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:17,599
conferences they're the equivalent of

3459
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,679
the big box theaters and there's a

3460
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:21,440
certain group of people all of whom are

3461
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,960
or almost all of whom are older that

3462
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:24,880
will go to those things but the younger

3463
02:08:29,350 --> 02:08:26,880
people they're consuming it in different

3464
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,360
ways so it's going to have to transition

3465
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:31,599
to a virtual realm sure and we're in the

3466
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:34,000
process all of society is in the process

3467
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,920
of that transition it's not just ufos

3468
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:37,760
it's politics it's everything and so

3469
02:08:41,830 --> 02:08:40,079
it's learning it's how we educate people

3470
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,840
and so we're all in that process people

3471
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:43,520
think it's over in two or three years no

3472
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:45,679
we're in a i think the historians in the

3473
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:47,119
future will look back and say this was a

3474
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,840
50 to 60 year transitional period much

3475
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,840
like the industrial revolution where

3476
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,280
things didn't change overnight they

3477
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:55,280
changed over a period of time and then a

3478
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:57,520
new normal eventually sets in i'm

3479
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,800
probably not going to be here when that

3480
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,040
happens i don't think any of us will but

3481
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:03,440
we're in the midst of this massive

3482
02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:05,360
change in technology how we interact

3483
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:06,880
with each other and that does have an

3484
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:09,199
impact on how ufo information is

3485
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:11,119
disseminated and how people express

3486
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:12,320
their interests and in particular it's

3487
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:14,159
just information in general i mean like

3488
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,079
you're pointing out we're midwifing the

3489
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:18,239
process uh in a sense it's our

3490
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:20,159
generation that's come up with the tech

3491
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:21,840
and the kids are the kids are getting

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the uh you know the wonderful

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tech and of course a lot of this tech

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so i think of my son for example he's

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lives in madrid spain he's got so many

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activities most of which i can barely

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comprehend and so we don't hear from him

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very often but at least when he comes by

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once a year he does pay us a modicum

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of attention in a little while paul

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we've got questions from our listeners

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that chris will ask and we'll get to

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those in a moment but it's good to

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consider

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the possibilities here where we

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old crabby old men sitting in a room

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talking about the good old days and

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maybe the good old days are now we just

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have to learn to

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see the new things the new technology

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and let me tell you

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about

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watching tv on things other than the big

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tv set i have an imac here and every so

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often i watch a tv show on it because if

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i'm sitting there a foot away from it

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it's as big to me as the 50-inch tv from

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10 feet away

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yeah my only concern with all of this

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is

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than just the paranormal

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in fact you know politics is much more

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important than the paranormal unless of

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course the paranormal is real and then

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it's ultimately more important than

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anything but i'm not one of these cranky

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old guys who says everything was better

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when because then i'd be a republican

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you know actually things weren't better

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back then history has been a pretty

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constant

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series of improvements in terms of our

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lot in life in terms of the

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accessibility we have to information and

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other things like water and food

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the problem is and the one thing that

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does concern me with all of this

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technology and it gets into the

3688
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conversation of what kind of alien

3689
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look at this here's the bill clinton

3690
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pivot again what kind of alien culture

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we might run into because they would be

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more technologically advanced than us so

3693
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then you would have to say well okay

3694
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where are we headed what does our future

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look like because that might be what

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their future looks like

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and that might mean we'll encounter say

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a future version of ourselves and our

3699
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future sometimes to me looks bleak only

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because

3701
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of the way that the technology is

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changing how we interact with each other

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so

3704
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it concerns me in a political sense that

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technology makes it easier i think for

3706
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demagogues to arise and disseminate

3707
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information that is not true and that is

3708
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always what demagogues rely upon anyone

3709
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who studied the rise of hitler for

3710
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instance would know that

3711
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it concerns me in the way that people

3712
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interact just individually

3713
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so when you don't have conversations

3714
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anymore i went to a hockey game with a

3715
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very good friend of mine he's like 24.

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great young filmmaker i consider him my

3717
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protege and we had a good time at the

3718
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hockey game except he

3719
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more often than i would have liked was

3720
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checking his messages on his phone now i

3721
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didn't complain i didn't chastise him i

3722
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just went back to watching the hockey

3723
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game but it it irks me partly because i

3724
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still think it's rude even though i

3725
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understand that's how people act now

3726
02:18:01,990 --> 02:18:00,639
i like the idea of just being away from

3727
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all that technology and having a

3728
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conversation and it seems like we can't

3729
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really do that anymore and talking about

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conferences or talking about going to

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theaters although it's harder in the

3732
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theater but conferences are good things

3733
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film festivals are good things because

3734
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they bring people together and you can

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have that kind of face-to-face

3736
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interaction with folks which i think is

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still important to keeping our basic

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humanity alive and also being able to

3739
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put a face to a name to a point of view

3740
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so i can interact with all sorts of

3741
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folks on the perecast forums jeff davis

3742
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:33,519
there's a good example so jeff davis on

3743
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:35,439
your political thread has a certain set

3744
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:37,840
of views with which i don't agree i said

3745
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:39,359
in reaction to something he said this is

3746
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:41,359
me apologizing to jeff i think i said

3747
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something like i don't respect your

3748
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views because you don't respect mine

3749
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:45,599
whatever it was and i think he took

3750
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offense at that and he probably should

3751
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:48,479
have you know what i shouldn't have done

3752
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,479
that but i don't know jeff davis from a

3753
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hole in the wall i think i'd like to

3754
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,160
meet him maybe we should all in that

3755
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:56,399
thread get together over beer sometime

3756
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:59,040
and you can start to understand that

3757
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maybe these aren't all bad people or

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they're or that we don't all disagree on

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everything but the internet it just

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magnifies those things right and it

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focuses you on maybe things that aren't

3762
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as important which is why bill clinton

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pivot again that i actually think the

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paranormal is still relevant because

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it's one of those areas that still

3766
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forces us to ask the big picture

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questions are we alone in the universe

3768
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what does it all mean alfie as the

3769
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famous film said you know with ghosts

3770
02:19:30,629 --> 02:19:29,359
are we mortal and we die and there's

3771
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nothing else or is maybe there's

3772
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something beyond this for us which is

3773
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the existential question we all have to

3774
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face

3775
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and there aren't a whole lot of places

3776
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left anymore where those kind of

3777
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:40,319
questions are being asked because

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everybody's so

3779
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consumed and so paying so much attention

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to just the mundane things in their

3781
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daily lives and technology has made that

3782
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easier for them weirdly enough

3783
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technology should make it easier for

3784
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them to also consider the much bigger

3785
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questions but it hasn't worked out that

3786
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,359
way yet maybe it will but i'm not sure i

3787
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:01,359
like the way it's going so the

3788
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,880
paranormal might be one of those last

3789
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refuges where we can have those kinds of

3790
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conversations and by the way we're going

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to get another station for the

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powercaster radio station in wyoming

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which will be carrying us towards the

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end of the year we'll have more details

3795
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:17,040
later on chris there are a bunch of

3796
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:19,120
questions for paul in the

3797
02:20:22,630 --> 02:20:20,479
question bank forums at

3798
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forum.theparentcast.com

3799
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,319
but paul because of the fact we only

3800
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have a second and a half left i'm going

3801
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,800
to have to ask if possible and i know

3802
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,640
it's difficult to keep the answers short

3803
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,920
chris

3804
02:20:36,469 --> 02:20:33,920
well this would be a good one this comes

3805
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:36,479
from harry newton in london harry's

3806
02:20:39,750 --> 02:20:39,040
extended uh a wonderful uh offer to me

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to

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casters in the uk are having he's

3809
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:47,359
offered to show me around and put me up

3810
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:50,080
uh thanks harry shout out to you yeah i

3811
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:52,000
mean you can make this as

3812
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:53,920
short as you want but he's wondering

3813
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:55,600
what your favorite cryptic case or

3814
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,880
incident is

3815
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:58,880
what your favorite ghost case or or

3816
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:01,040
incident or location and what's your

3817
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:03,359
favorite ufo uh case i'll skip the

3818
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:05,680
cryptid one you know what not true my

3819
02:21:09,910 --> 02:21:07,600
favorite uh cryptid and i'm not i don't

3820
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:09,920
believe they exist but i'm curious to go

3821
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:12,160
and find out the mongolian death war i

3822
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,240
had a conversation with a world traveler

3823
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:16,080
and adventurer named ian evans who has a

3824
02:21:19,750 --> 02:21:17,439
great film out you should go see it if

3825
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,760
you can call lunatic he wants to go to

3826
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,160
mongolia and bike across mongolia and i

3827
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,840
told him well i've always wanted to go

3828
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:25,439
to mongolia because of the mongolian

3829
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:27,520
death mongolian death and he had never

3830
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:28,800
heard of it i was going to do a film

3831
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:30,479
called top 10 monsters it was going to

3832
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:32,720
be my follow-up to ufos and the

3833
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:34,560
mongolian death worm was number three on

3834
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:36,880
that list love them

3835
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:39,680
so that's that's my cryptid one best

3836
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:41,600
ghost story

3837
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,600
anything that holly and i investigated

3838
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:45,359
well not anything there were a few duds

3839
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:47,040
shock like church there you go and i've

3840
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,720
talked about this on a past episode of

3841
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:50,880
the show i think but you can find it

3842
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,960
online i think that episode is online so

3843
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,640
much weirdness happened to holly and i

3844
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:57,280
in one night that it was as if something

3845
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:59,760
was uh playing with us and it was one of

3846
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:01,920
those nights that really opened my eyes

3847
02:22:06,469 --> 02:22:04,240
to a whole new range of possibilities

3848
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:06,479
that is a church in a it's not even a

3849
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,960
village it's just the middle of nowhere

3850
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:10,800
on the welsh border over in the united

3851
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,439
kingdom england the english welsh border

3852
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:15,760
so shock lack church look that up watch

3853
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,680
it online i think that's online for free

3854
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:20,160
i think i put that up and favorite ufo

3855
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:22,479
case or best ufo case

3856
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:25,280
that's never evolving answer

3857
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:26,640
frankly at the moment if somebody had to

3858
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:28,640
ask me i'd i'd probably say shag harbor

3859
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:30,880
here in canada just

3860
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,479
because i spoke at the shag harbor ufo

3861
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:34,479
symposium about two months ago and so

3862
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:36,080
that's fresh in my head but it's also

3863
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,760
one of those great cases with a lot of

3864
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:39,680
moving parts some things that we know

3865
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:41,600
are true and then a bunch of other stuff

3866
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,000
that are stories that may be true or may

3867
02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:45,600
not be true we're not sure

3868
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,840
but really well documented yes and

3869
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:49,680
there's and and the other thing too all

3870
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:52,160
things are personal right i know

3871
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:54,080
at least three of the witnesses who were

3872
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,520
involved in the case in shag harbor

3873
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:57,680
including laurie wickens who is the guy

3874
02:23:01,590 --> 02:22:58,960
who made the first phone call to the

3875
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:01,600
rcmp and i've spoke to him at length on

3876
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a number of occasions but my business

3877
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partner my co-producing partner in

3878
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halifax ron foley mcdonald and i've

3879
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:09,520
written about this was a small kid he

3880
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,479
saw

3881
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:12,319
the shag harbor ufo over halifax now

3882
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:14,000
halifax is about two and a half hours

3883
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:15,920
from shelburne which is the shag harbor

3884
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:18,160
area it was this it was a sighting that

3885
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:19,920
happened not just in shag harbor but it

3886
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:22,160
happened all over nova scotia over a

3887
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:23,920
prolonged period of time that night

3888
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:25,920
chris styles had an encounter that night

3889
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,080
as well the the one of the two key shag

3890
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:31,040
harvard researchers with donald trump

3891
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:33,120
yes so when you start to know people who

3892
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tell you look i experienced that because

3893
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ron is older than me i go really wrong

3894
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:39,520
then it becomes more personal to you and

3895
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:41,840
that that sort of puts it in a different

3896
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different level

3897
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:45,280
paul you mentioned this very quickly in

3898
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:47,280
a previous segment but once again you're

3899
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:49,520
going to be working with holly on a new

3900
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ghost show

3901
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yes and if we're lucky we can go do the

3902
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mongolian death worm too because i can't

3903
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,240
get enough mongolian deathworm it's

3904
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awesome yeah we have another series we

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just got commissioned to do a new series

3906
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called haunted which will look a lot

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like ghost cases probably we start

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filming in february so it'll be

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3910
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year and hopefully the u.s hopefully

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somebody will be smart enough to carry

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that i'm looking forward to seeing the

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click

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1-800-205-9513 or pixwireless.com spell

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02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:47,150
p-i-x pixwireless.com

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02:29:02,389 --> 02:29:00,710
this is robert hastings author of ufos

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02:29:05,110 --> 02:29:02,399
and nukes and you're listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

4027
02:29:16,150 --> 02:29:13,429
how time flies when you're having fun

4028
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:16,160
that's almost sounds like a silly cliche

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02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:17,840
but i know it's true when paul kimball

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02:29:22,230 --> 02:29:19,920
comes here it's just a wonderful

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02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:22,240
enjoyable session with gene and chris

4032
02:29:26,790 --> 02:29:24,319
and the power cast chris you have more

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02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,800
questions from question bank we do um

4034
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:28,560
canada karis is really interested in

4035
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:29,840
your opinion

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02:29:32,790 --> 02:29:31,120
on the

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02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:32,800
very very intriguing aerial school

4038
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:34,960
sightings in zimbabwe why don't you go

4039
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ahead and remind our our listeners uh

4040
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:39,200
about the case of the kids

4041
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:41,200
really good daylight sighting i think it

4042
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:44,640
was what in the sev late 70s wasn't it

4043
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:47,120
honestly first thing my dad drilled into

4044
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:48,560
me when he was drilling things into me

4045
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:50,240
was never answer a question that you

4046
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:52,319
don't know anything about or pretend you

4047
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:54,080
know anything about i'm familiar with

4048
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:57,280
the case i.e i know it exists but beyond

4049
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:59,920
that i hate to disappoint kanekaris but

4050
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:01,439
i i couldn't offer an intelligent

4051
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:02,640
comment one way or another because i've

4052
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:05,520
never really looked in to that case yeah

4053
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:08,080
i think the ufo congress was the last

4054
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:09,920
year jean of the year before one of the

4055
02:30:15,190 --> 02:30:12,640
kids who's now grown up

4056
02:30:16,469 --> 02:30:15,200
came and for the gave her very first

4057
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:16,479
public

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presentation about the case of course

4059
02:30:23,590 --> 02:30:21,680
john mack uh is is

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fairly well known as is having gone over

4061
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:26,000
and investigated it it is a very

4062
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:27,920
interesting case but here's one i know

4063
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,800
you're gonna

4064
02:30:33,429 --> 02:30:30,720
be interested in answering this is from

4065
02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:33,439
wade one of our long time posters at the

4066
02:30:38,550 --> 02:30:36,319
paracast uh where you can go ahead and

4067
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:38,560
log in to the paracast forums go to the

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02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:40,080
question bank and

4069
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:42,960
you can uh post questions for our guests

4070
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,760
wade wants to talk synchronicity he says

4071
02:30:50,389 --> 02:30:48,319
i'm pretty sure i've heard you touch on

4072
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:50,399
this in relation to ufos

4073
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:52,399
but he says i wonder if he's ever heard

4074
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:53,920
of a synchronistic occurrence in

4075
02:30:59,429 --> 02:30:56,880
relation to other paranormal phenomena

4076
02:31:02,389 --> 02:30:59,439
i would like to ask if some have

4077
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,399
supposed that ufos might have a kinship

4078
02:31:06,389 --> 02:31:04,560
with other paranormal phenomena why

4079
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,399
people don't report this occurrence with

4080
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:08,399
bigfoot or ghosts or such so in other

4081
02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:10,399
words he's wondering about mixing and

4082
02:31:13,830 --> 02:31:11,520
matching

4083
02:31:15,910 --> 02:31:13,840
i think different disparate paranormal

4084
02:31:17,990 --> 02:31:15,920
phenomena if you will what's your

4085
02:31:19,429 --> 02:31:18,000
opinion on that wow that could have been

4086
02:31:21,110 --> 02:31:19,439
the first question of the episode and

4087
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:21,120
we'd still be talking about it because

4088
02:31:24,150 --> 02:31:22,880
it's basically the theme of my book i

4089
02:31:25,590 --> 02:31:24,160
wrote a book called the other side of

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truth after i was done with the ghost

4091
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,920
hunting thing you know it's funny you've

4092
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:29,840
been on radio mysterio so whenever we go

4093
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:31,760
on radio mysterio so there's always the

4094
02:31:35,990 --> 02:31:34,399
sirens right every time as soon as you

4095
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:36,000
asked me about synchronicity i heard a

4096
02:31:39,590 --> 02:31:38,160
siren which you your listeners might be

4097
02:31:41,349 --> 02:31:39,600
able to hear through my mic

4098
02:31:42,870 --> 02:31:41,359
coming what sounds like several sirens

4099
02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:42,880
so even there there's a little bit of a

4100
02:31:46,550 --> 02:31:44,960
synchronicity there's an entire chapter

4101
02:31:48,070 --> 02:31:46,560
in my book where i talk about

4102
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synchronicity and you know what because

4103
02:31:51,590 --> 02:31:50,240
it so blows my mind and i've made as

4104
02:31:54,230 --> 02:31:51,600
much money off the book as i'm ever

4105
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:54,240
going to make i will post that online

4106
02:31:58,150 --> 02:31:56,960
that chapter by way of answering wade's

4107
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:58,160
question because it would take me far

4108
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:00,479
too long to get into so that the readers

4109
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:03,200
of the paracast can read that chapter i

4110
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,439
am fascinated by synchronicity i've had

4111
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:07,520
it happen to me more times than i can

4112
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:10,240
count walter bosley greg bishop and i

4113
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:12,000
had this i talked about it in the book

4114
02:32:15,670 --> 02:32:13,680
this thing when we were on radio

4115
02:32:17,429 --> 02:32:15,680
mysterioso and i was in the midst of

4116
02:32:19,270 --> 02:32:17,439
this i call it a run of synchronistic

4117
02:32:21,270 --> 02:32:19,280
events that i was noticing it was

4118
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:21,280
happening to us in the studio even as we

4119
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:23,920
were talking about it in a truly weird

4120
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:25,280
way you can go back and listen to that

4121
02:32:29,830 --> 02:32:28,000
show greg has it in his bank somewhere

4122
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,840
from a few years ago i i mean i could

4123
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:31,680
tell you synchronistic stories over and

4124
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,120
over and over again it's gotten to the

4125
02:32:37,750 --> 02:32:35,280
point where my fiance who's not

4126
02:32:39,670 --> 02:32:37,760
particularly interested in my paranormal

4127
02:32:41,349 --> 02:32:39,680
adventuring i mean it's just not a focus

4128
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:41,359
for her she's moderately interested

4129
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:43,200
we'll say even she finds the

4130
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:45,600
synchronicity stuff weird as soon as i

4131
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:46,880
make her aware and tell her these

4132
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:48,960
stories she has noticed it start to

4133
02:32:52,309 --> 02:32:50,880
happen to her as well greg and i have

4134
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:52,319
had these long conversations over the

4135
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:54,160
years about whether they're all it's

4136
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,560
always there and when you're tuned into

4137
02:33:00,870 --> 02:32:58,399
it you notice it more

4138
02:33:02,790 --> 02:33:00,880
my overarching theory is that it's this

4139
02:33:05,510 --> 02:33:02,800
advanced non-human intelligence whatever

4140
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:05,520
it is trying to make itself aware or

4141
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,920
trying to make us aware of its presence

4142
02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:09,840
but not in a direct as we would say in

4143
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:11,760
the film business on the nose kind of

4144
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:13,840
way but in a much more elliptical way

4145
02:33:18,070 --> 02:33:16,720
that challenges us to think again why i

4146
02:33:20,950 --> 02:33:18,080
think the paranormal is one of those

4147
02:33:22,389 --> 02:33:20,960
last places that really forces us to ask

4148
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:22,399
big questions

4149
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:24,479
synchronicity is is part and parcel of

4150
02:33:29,030 --> 02:33:26,720
that it might be the most personal one

4151
02:33:30,790 --> 02:33:29,040
because it always seems tailored to you

4152
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:30,800
so i don't know how much time we have

4153
02:33:33,910 --> 02:33:32,399
left in the segment and any

4154
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:33,920
synchronicity story that i would tell

4155
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:35,840
you probably runs about four minutes you

4156
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:37,200
know what we've got about three and a

4157
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:38,720
half minutes left and we can always

4158
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:40,880
pursue some more stories and after the

4159
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:43,120
power cast go ahead okay i'll i'll give

4160
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:44,880
you one real quick the kohl's notes

4161
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,720
version my fiance is from prince edward

4162
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:48,880
island uh her family her sister and i

4163
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:50,800
her still have a home there it's a

4164
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:52,720
province near nova scotia you have to

4165
02:33:56,550 --> 02:33:54,720
take a ferry or bridge to get there we

4166
02:33:57,990 --> 02:33:56,560
go there every summer one of my oldest

4167
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:58,000
friends from high school also lives in

4168
02:34:01,270 --> 02:33:59,680
prince edward small province but he

4169
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:01,280
lives on the other end of where she

4170
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:03,920
lives i have never to this day visited

4171
02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:05,840
him in his home even though it's only an

4172
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:07,439
hour away from where she lives i'm a

4173
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:08,640
terrible friend

4174
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:11,280
but so we're driving over two years ago

4175
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:13,840
and we took the bridge and the bridge is

4176
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:15,359
on his end of the island so it's the

4177
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:16,960
confederation bridge one of the seven

4178
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,960
modern wonders of the world for the

4179
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:20,640
first time in my life i made a wrong

4180
02:34:25,190 --> 02:34:22,880
turn off the bridge it was night and it

4181
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:25,200
was the road that led into his town and

4182
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,880
as soon as i get on i went ah this is i

4183
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:28,640
just made the wrong turn for no reason i

4184
02:34:31,429 --> 02:34:30,080
wasn't paying attention so i turned

4185
02:34:32,710 --> 02:34:31,439
around get back on the highway and

4186
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:32,720
headed to the other end of the island

4187
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:34,240
where linda lives but we linda and i

4188
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:36,160
were joking about this saying that's as

4189
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:37,680
close as i've ever gotten to visiting

4190
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,319
jeff so the next day we're driving north

4191
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:42,080
from her place to a national park

4192
02:34:45,910 --> 02:34:44,080
greenwich national park which the sand

4193
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:45,920
dunes are amazing you should if you ever

4194
02:34:49,110 --> 02:34:47,680
get a chance go there she and i had this

4195
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:49,120
fight over what to listen to classical

4196
02:34:53,590 --> 02:34:51,520
music on cbc or pop music on this 80s

4197
02:34:55,270 --> 02:34:53,600
channel i prevailed and so we were

4198
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:55,280
listening to all these music three dog

4199
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:58,240
night jeremiah was a bullfrog

4200
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:01,359
comes on as soon as that song comes on a

4201
02:35:05,590 --> 02:35:03,760
frog jumps across this isolated country

4202
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:05,600
road right in front of my car

4203
02:35:08,790 --> 02:35:07,040
literally as he said jeremiah has a

4204
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:08,800
bullfrog this frog jumps out in front of

4205
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:10,720
the car slam the brakes on we both go

4206
02:35:14,790 --> 02:35:12,880
well that's weird funny thing my friend

4207
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:14,800
that lives in summerside he and i when

4208
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:16,560
we were in high school used to sing that

4209
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,840
song all the time we'd go like jeremiah

4210
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,600
is a bullfrog because it's just kind of

4211
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:22,880
a cool song i used to play it on the

4212
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:25,600
ukulele moving on we get to the national

4213
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:27,760
park it's a sunday afternoon it's close

4214
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:29,840
to closing there's almost nobody there

4215
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:32,080
and there's this van in the parking lot

4216
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:34,399
i park next to the van i get out i walk

4217
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:35,760
away there's people in the van but i

4218
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:37,680
don't notice who they are i get to the

4219
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:40,560
park rangers desk inside linda goes to

4220
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:42,000
use the washroom and i'm standing next

4221
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:43,520
to this woman and i look over and i

4222
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:46,319
realize that's jeff's wife my friend

4223
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:48,640
he's in the van in the parking lot and

4224
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:50,560
so i go out it's like wow linda comes

4225
02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:52,960
out her mind is blown and again it's the

4226
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:54,960
story right any one of those things i

4227
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:57,280
chalk up to a coincidence all of those

4228
02:36:02,389 --> 02:35:59,439
things happening within one day period

4229
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:02,399
to me that synchronicity as i joked with

4230
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:04,319
jeff i said i think somebody's trying to

4231
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:05,840
tell me i really need to come down and

4232
02:36:10,550 --> 02:36:08,560
visit you your home one of these years

4233
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:10,560
he's he's not a paranormal guy but even

4234
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,640
he said paul you're in a weird place

4235
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,399
right now i'm taking my family we're

4236
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:16,720
going home we'll talk soon kind of thing

4237
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:17,920
so

4238
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:19,439
all of that happening the way it

4239
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:21,439
happened and that happens more often

4240
02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:23,359
than you would think and so i think you

4241
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,120
know maybe because i opened myself up to

4242
02:36:29,030 --> 02:36:27,439
it i see more of it than most people do

4243
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:29,040
but i think it's the one paranormal

4244
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:30,880
thing that we can all kind of tune into

4245
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:32,800
if we really want to it still freaks me

4246
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:34,880
out you know what we should do paul is

4247
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:37,280
hold you over and on the next episode of

4248
02:36:41,429 --> 02:36:39,680
after the power cast we continue with

4249
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:41,439
the discussion of synchronicity that can

4250
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,000
be open ended we go on for 30 40 minutes

4251
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,240
no problem in the meantime paul kimball

4252
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:48,399
could you tell our listeners other than

4253
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:50,160
the powercast plus where we've got other

4254
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:51,920
side of truth content for audio and

4255
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:53,520
video where they can find more

4256
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:55,439
information about you the easiest place

4257
02:36:59,830 --> 02:36:57,280
would just be to google paul kimball in

4258
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:59,840
parentheses my paul andrew kimball.com

4259
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,680
website is not about anything other than

4260
02:37:05,429 --> 02:37:03,280
politics anymore because i'm running for

4261
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:05,439
elected office up here in canada so when

4262
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:07,120
i talk briefly about politics i actually

4263
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:09,520
put my money where my mouth is and i got

4264
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:11,120
involved which is what i think we should

4265
02:37:15,510 --> 02:37:13,439
all do but just yeah google my name and

4266
02:37:17,990 --> 02:37:15,520
the websites will pop up and they'll be

4267
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:18,000
there or my handle on the paracast forms

4268
02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:20,720
i have the two my company website and my

4269
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:22,240
my personal website they're underneath

4270
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:24,720
my profile and he's on the powercast

4271
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:27,600
forums is paul kimball yes we insist to

4272
02:37:32,389 --> 02:37:29,760
use his real name you can find us on

4273
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:32,399
twitter look for the powercast yes we

4274
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:34,720
are on twitter we're on facebook with a

4275
02:37:40,389 --> 02:37:37,680
pair of powercast fan clubs a group and

4276
02:37:42,469 --> 02:37:40,399
a community you can define that any way

4277
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:42,479
you want and as we mentioned we have a

4278
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:46,000
second radio show called after the cast

4279
02:37:48,469 --> 02:37:46,960
and that's where sometimes we'll

4280
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:48,479
continue interviews like we'll do with

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